Using delisted riders

I play this game to be
I play this game to be competitive and are very pleased to of finished 3rd.

Am I miffed that the winner made use of loophole in the rules and made me miss out on a BMC kit, no.

I have been playing here since the 2010 Vuelta and knew about the tactic of transferring in cheaper non participating riders, it has been discussed on the forum a few times.

I could of used it myself, but choose not to, as I considered it too risky. When the winner had two 2.3 point non participating riders, I was racking up points in the mountains with Martinez and Feillu. Low cost DSs were scoring well in the mountains and sprints (Impey, Boeckmans, Simon)

Seriously I though johnking who was 10 points ahead was going to get overrun by the therealsmallboy on the last stage. therealsmallboy had 4 sprinting DSs and johnking none prior to the final transfers. johnking brought in Cav, Griepel and Boeckmans. Cav and Boeckmans won the bike for him in the end.

Me, I made some mistakes, I had the choice between Rolland and Voeckler on stage 16 (I had the points as I did not have both Wiggins & Froome) and chose Rolland. I stuck with Evans (instead of Froome), Gallopin (when sick) and Vichot for far too long. Dropped Sagan for stage 14 and did not pick Wiggins for the prologue and stage 18 needed to be 500m shorter 😉

Mrdowen wrote:If things don’t

Mrdowen wrote:

If things don’t change I’ll be playing free next year. The “old boys forum” will not be getting my money.

By definition a forum is somewhere for all people to converse on the topic, in this case fantasy cycling and the competion. If you’ve not taken the time to keep up with the forum then that’s your problem but it’s not an ‘old boys network’ where a few of us distribute loopholes and work arounds to ‘beat the game’, it’s a public forum open to everyone where we discuss the game and raise any issue we have.

Raleigh wrote:

I’ll put my hands up and say that I’ve done this, unwittingly though.

In the Giro I picked Theo Bos, who was the cheapest star by far the day he dropped out on stage 16.

I also picked the cheap DS from Europcar in this year’s tour, in the days leading up to his abandonment.

I think there’s a difference between picking Bernaudeau before he dropped out and leaving him in there, picking Bos for the Giro who actually started the race and picking Mullery from Team Exergy because he costs 2.3 credits and was never even down to race the TdF.

The difference might not seem much but for me it’s the line between morally right and wrong. Yes, it’s probably been blown a little out of proportion and I certainly wouldn’t advocate changing the result and taking the prize away from the guy who’s worked within the current rules but quite a few people have suggested it be changed so it certainly needed bringing up.

livestrongnick wrote:

wow nice loop-hole! I agree seems to have been blown out of proportion abit, but maybe altering the game for next year might be wise, provided the budget goes up to reflect the riders values. Otherwise might as well leave this loop-hole in because the way i see it at least 4 if not 5 riders will probably go upto 40 points plus alot of good ds’s will become stars!

As we are paying it is something to think about!

Again… just because some stars (Froome, Wiggins, Sagan, Henao) will be increasing in value next year and some DSs (Pinot…) will become Stars and increase in value doesn’t mean we’ll all need bigger budgets. Some riders will move in the opposite direction decreasing in value (Gilbert, Evans, Farrar, Hushovd, Schleck, Kreuziger) and others will become DSs (possibly Siutsou, maybe Basso, Oss and Hoogerland?). Likewise with people like Hincapie and Horner(?) retiring other riders will come in at a lower level and overall the game will even out.

Mrdowen wrote:Condoning the

Mrdowen wrote:

Condoning the use of two riders in a TdF fantasy team that are riding for teams that were not in the TdF proper is very loyal TERatcliffe26.

By the way I think Drheaton agrees with me.

I wouldnt say I condone it as such, I have never used non racing riders and wont do as its not in my nature, however it is within the current rules of the race, was basically the point I was making

I love playing this game what
I love playing this game what ever changes I’ll always play it and treat it as fun and somewhere to have a good banter and a crack about our passion that it CYCLING!
I’ll admit i’m not the best at this but always try my best. Hell i even won a stage on the your of Poland!!(pure luck)
As it’s allowed Vuelta is gonna be fun B-)

exactly what Raleigh has said
exactly what Raleigh has said a case of ‘I lost but didn’t win in many cases’ and has been blown out of proportion

Most of us on this forum (Gkam, Raleigh, Drheaton etc) play the game as we enjoy the game and not to win….and you will have seen that based on th purist races we organised ourselves prior to the premium aspect, and also the track cycling comp Drheaton is overseeing. And us that debate the rules most often never win however and see it from both sides despite having different opinions, and thus the rules do end up being set in the fairest manner and are constantly reviewed. Therefore to call it the ‘old boys forum’ is rather unfair as we are in it for the seeing the best the game game can offer not necessarily for the prizes. the forum at the end of the day is open to all and Dave will take into account each and everyones opinion on rules, however most only bring up an issue after they dont agree with it, rather than in threads that have been set up beforehand where each and every player is more than welcome to voice a concern before the rule for the following season are implemented

Mrdowen i respect your opinion like i do everyone elses, however i totally disagree that the attitude is wrong. The rules on how riders can be used were outlined before the season, and yes you may see that as so called ‘bending’ but as Gkam said, under the current rules people are well within there right to run with riders not participating in that race. As far as i understand it so long as you have 9 riders within budget you team is complete and will score points, thus not an illegal team. But this is not an attitude thing as it will be reviewed by Dave, and this game is not perfect but will always aim to get better.

wow nice loop-hole! I agree
wow nice loop-hole! I agree seems to have been blown out of proportion abit, but maybe altering the game for next year might be wise, provided the budget goes up to reflect the riders values. Otherwise might as well leave this loop-hole in because the way i see it at least 4 if not 5 riders will probably go upto 40 points plus alot of good ds’s will become stars!

As we are paying it is something to think about!

therealsmallboy wrote:Hi

therealsmallboy wrote:

Hi guys,

I’m the second placed player. I won the kit and am pleased with that, but on the day that Voeckler got all of those points, I had Kessiakoff. I wanted Voeckler, but I couldn’t afford him because I didn’t know I could use non TdF riders to give me a credit as it were…. And yeah I am pretty miffed, because I played the game fair and square….

If the rules are changed, without awarding me the bike, the guy below me the kit and the guy below him the helmet to comply with what’s been said here I’ll be even more annoyed, because it would only admit that it’s not right.

Notwithstanding this, the rules need to be clarified, because I didn’t know about this and have been playing for two years now. As far as I was concerned we were playing a TdF competition, for TdF prizes, with TdF riders. There should at least be something on the ‘how to play’ section.

In any event, I won the BMC team kit fair and square and can sleep happily at night.

Therealsmallboy

congratulations on second place 🙂

as for the rules, we set them every year. so they’ll change next year, for sure. how they’ll change is normally the subject of much debate on this forum.

as they stand, the game engine allows anyone to pick riders that aren’t riding, by changing the filter from ‘riding this stage’ to ‘all riders’. and your team is still valid if you have riders greyed out:

the rules wrote:

Some of my riders didn’t race in the last stage – will I still score points for the others?

Yes. So long as you have nine riders selected, you’ll score. It doesn’t matter if some of your riders are greyed out.

so as far as the tour is concerned, the result is what it is. assuming everyone’s in the same place after the schleck update. which they seem to be.

if the concensus of opinion is that for next year it’d be better if only participating riders were available after the start of a tour, or frank’s points stay in the game after he’s kicked out, or the star/ds split should be binned, or whatever, then we’ll look at making those changes for next year. we’re always trying to make the game better for everyone, and we’re always interested in what people think about it. I’m happy to admit that the game isn’t perfect, and your feedback each year helps to move it forward.