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  • September 5, 2011 at 12:29 pm #14182
    drheaton

    Seeing as the 2011 fantasy season is now winding down I figured I’d start a topic for everyone suggestions/requests for next year. I know a few have been given through the season but I thought it’d be more helpful for us to have our suggestions and requests for next season all in one place.

    Other than having a little more flexibility on who I can pick (up to 3 ARs, 2PC etc) my suggestion is:

    – Have a team reset button when doing transfers –
    Basically be able to reset my own transfers if I realise I’ve messed up. While this is the basic reason it would also allow people who perhaps can’t always make their transfers at 10:55 to make two transfers immediately when the window opens and then if they have a change of heart or realise that one of their riders has abandoned/crashed/been done for drugs they can reset their team to how it was at the end of the last stage and redo their transfers. Also this might stop people having to keep asking Dave to reset their team if they mess up.

    On variable rider values despite being against it at first I like that the riders change in value a little throughout the season but I think variations might be better if they were slightly more noticeable than they are now. How it was during the Giro was probably a bit excessive, how it was during the TdF was hardly noticeable and a bit pointless (other than to mean that I was always 0.1 short of having the team I really wanted) so either no changes or more noticeable changes would be better.

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  • September 13, 2011 at 7:17 am #653623
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    STEVESPRO 79

    Congrats to dave and the team
    Congrats to dave and the team for running such a successful fantasy game…..Ive read all the comments above about changes,and I agree with some and disagree with others……I think its important though that the game is tweaked a little but equally important that wholesale changes are not made….”basically,if its not broke,then dont fix it”……
    Its impossible to please everybody all of the time,but personally I think that Dave and the team do an excellent job of keeping most people happy for most of the time…..a time consuming,thankless task at times…
    So `chapeau` guys and your efforts are appreciated….Even if I still havn`t received my TdF goodies… đŸ˜‰

    September 12, 2011 at 3:59 pm #653621
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    Loosehorse

    Top Hat to ya Dave & yer crew
    Top Hat to ya Dave & yer crew B-) – Don’t change a thing (although January start is cool)

    September 12, 2011 at 3:34 pm #653619
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    a.jumper

    my top wish: Purists’ league
    my top wish: Purists’ league for each competition (gts and world tour) so there’s still a decent amount of selection skill but we can choose not to bother with these silly spod-rewarding transfers and still stand a chance of winning something.

    More spot prizes would be good too.

    September 9, 2011 at 7:22 pm #653617
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    Gkam84

    I dont know how viable this
    I dont know how viable this would be, but following on from thefatcyclist about the regional’s

    Why not have a look at LBS’s in those area’s and see if you can get a goody bag or voucher, nothing huge, but to promote the use of your LBS rather than online shopping :B

    September 9, 2011 at 7:20 pm #653615
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    thefatcyclist

    I agree with you GKam on the
    I agree with you GKam on the way the catagories are made up.every team should only have 1 team leader and should be represented in all disciplines. I thinks there was a situation similar to Radishack with Garmin if i remember correctly.

    Little prizes, sponsors willing, for the regionals too would be nice. Maybe the company sponsoring that terrible ass advert could be one đŸ‘¿

    September 9, 2011 at 1:53 pm #653613
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    drheaton

    I like the idea of end of
    I like the idea of end of comp bonus points but I think they should be small enough so that it’s a close choice between going for a good team on stages 1, 2 and 3 and going for GC heavy but not ideal team on those stages and getting some bonus at the end of the tour.

    That way you’ll get people gambling on GC picks that may or may not pay off rather than being sprinter heavy. I think that’s a better option than having it so that everyone picks GC guys for the first stage or two and we end up with an odd stalemate for the first week as people try and crowbar sprinters into a team full of climbers.

    September 9, 2011 at 1:24 pm #653611
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    manolo

    JAndrewHill wrote:How about,

    JAndrewHill wrote:
    How about, for the grand tours, the points you get for the GC points are based … on the team you picked on day 1.

    I kind of like this idea, but with a twist:

    1. You pick top 5 GC.
    2. You pick PC winner
    3. You pick KM winner

    You get a bonus of 25, 20, 15, 10 and 5 points, at the end of the competition, if your choices place at the end of the race in the top 5. (If Cobo and Wiggins were in your top 5, at the end of the race you would get 25 and 15 points, as it stands right now.)

    If you chose the PC or KM winner, you would get a 10 point bonus at the end of the competition.

    None of your picks would accrue points during the race. This would be a separate prediction maybe to serve as a sort of equalizer or tiebreaker, where you could pick these riders without having the pressure to keep them on your team at all times. This would just be a bonus at the end of the competition to reward having picked the top 5 on GC, the KM and the PC winners.

    September 8, 2011 at 10:04 pm #653609
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    Alan Tullett

    The only thing I’d really
    The only thing I’d really like to see changed is to reduce lantern rouge points from 10 to 5. 10 is quite hard to get for any rider. Used it a lot in TdF and not much in the Vuelta but have a spare transfer today and it’s tempting to use it for Veelers but it’s a bit boring.

    Wouldn’t change much about picking teams or transfers to be honest but I think maybe make the points for position in the stage a bit higher for the top positions. At the moment it’s better as the tour goes on to stick to GC guys or people who are high in several competitions (or lantern rouge) rather than take a risk on a stage winner.

    So 30 for 1st, 25 for 2nd, 20 for 3rd, 18 for 4th and then as normal. This makes it less easy to just play safe, (which is the best way to be near the top).

    September 8, 2011 at 5:05 pm #653607
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    Gkam84

    thefatcyclist wrote:I don’t

    thefatcyclist wrote:
    I don’t think that there should be much change to the number from each section, or the team limit. This mimics a real team, they don’t have teams full of sprinters only, they try to win in all disciplins even HTC !!

    I fully agree with that, but not when the team listing puts 3 leaders in, no sprinter and no cimbers

    As far as i remember, Radioshack in the TdF had 3 GC team leaders, 2 AR and 4 DS? i might be slightly out with that, but not far off, So i think at the start of the race, ONE guy should be in the GC with any other “team leaders” stuck into AR and maybe valued up a bit?? If not then for next year i want to see BOTH Schlecks in the GC places

    September 8, 2011 at 4:57 pm #653605
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    thefatcyclist

    I don’t think that there
    I don’t think that there should be much change to the number from each section, or the team limit. This mimics a real team, they don’t have teams full of sprinters only, they try to win in all disciplins even HTC !!
    As for the size of the groups, I would say contrary to too big they are too small. particularily the climers section, but that depends on the runners in every race. I do like my wildcard selection idea.

    I would also like to see how my original team would have fared if I had been purist. Maybe a shadow purist league running in the background.

    I would also exclude team time trials altogether, as they bias everything.

    Dave in m useless opinion there is not much wrong with this league and I have played them all, the right balance of simplicity against complexity.

    Maybe one other thing is a big final weighting in the gts for having the winner of the jerseys. Because like many people, I will not change much in my team for the Vuelta, because like today breakaways are going to be let away, and i’m going to look for points gained from the jerseay classifications.

    September 8, 2011 at 4:15 pm #653603
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    drheaton

    LabMonkey wrote:Let them do

    LabMonkey wrote:
    Let them do this… 20 pts for Froome and 5 for each other sky rider.

    …I will take my current average (from the consistency league) of 12.18 pts per rider thanks very much.

    Agreed, imagine this year having 9 HTC riders then having to try and change two at a time before you get into the mountains, you might get one decent score IF Cav won (but not nearly as much as if you’d actually picked 5 or 6 sprinting ARs and DSs) but you’d be totally screwed for the next two-three stages. The best case scenario for that is maybe 2 or 3 riders in the top 20 and 5pts per person, a top score of 70 or 80 isn’t that great.

    That being said I’d prefer to stick with it as it is.

    September 8, 2011 at 4:12 pm #653601
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    LabMonkey

    Gkam84 wrote:If the pro’s can

    Gkam84 wrote:
    If the pro’s can do it?? yeah because they are under contract to their team :/

    I dont think you should be able to pick more than 2, its a great rule, because if you went and picked a full team sky, like yesterday and sky went on to win, thats 40 extra just for picking them all

    Let them do this… 20 pts for Froome and 5 for each other sky rider.

    …I will take my current average (from the consistency league) of 12.18 pts per rider per stage… and that is every stage… not just the one where Froome (or whoever) wins.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:32 pm #653599
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    drheaton

    I think the limits help the
    I think the limits help the game and force you to pick across more teams rather than everyone picking 4 from Sky, 3 from HTC or something like that. It takes people out of their comfort zone and adds an element of difficulty to it.

    How about instead of all these extra transfers/extra flexibilty you run a squad based system? Everyone has a squad of around 25 riders at the start of the season/tour on a budget of 250-300 credits and you can make as many changes per stage within your squad as you like?

    EDIT: For even more complication how about a draft style pick within a mini league of 10-12 players, that way nobody has the same riders and everyone has a team with some great riders and some trash.

    Also, another idea blatantly stolen from the fantasy NFL game I used to play is keeper leagues, you pick a team in a draft and keep that team each year picking up the odd free transfer here and there or agreeing transfers with other teams.

    September 8, 2011 at 3:28 pm #653597
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    Gkam84

    If the pro’s can do it?? yeah
    If the pro’s can do it?? yeah because they are under contract to their team :/

    I dont think you should be able to pick more than 2, its a great rule, because if you went and picked a full team sky, like yesterday and sky went on to win, thats 40 extra just for picking them all, no no, everyone should be in the same position, 2 riders limit, else your going to have people saving transfers, using credits to get more and picking a different whole team every day, there is no skill in that

    September 8, 2011 at 3:23 pm #653595
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    manolo

    As for the limits on the
    As for the limits on the number of riders from one team:

    I’m all for letting us pick as many riders as we want from one team, except for the Team Time Trial Stage. Or maybe have up to 4 riders from the same team. The only advantage I see is the 5 points on offer if someone on the same team wins the stage. In my mind it might be fun if, forexample, I wanted to field the entire Sky team one day and could! I’d love it! đŸ™‚ On any given stage, other than the TTT, it really should be no big deal. And, If the pros can do it, why can’t we?

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