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Rapha not happy with Torm

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  • January 25, 2011 at 9:48 am #13040
    11speedaddict

    Has anyone else been in touch with Torm clothing ? i noticed their website showing”o ut of stock” on all items so i did some snooping. I believe Rapha are squeezing them legally so to speak.
    i think this is disgraceful. However you look at it Torm is less than half the price for very similiar quality jerseys. I know some rapha fans dont agree with Torm but thats only because feel foolish spending so much more on identical jerseys. I have owned both brands and i wouldnt buy rapha again over torm BUT now I certainly will not buy rapha if this is how they act to competitors.
    are they trademarking the stripe across the arm / front.
    Its effectively bullying and more importantly its stopping people like me buying reasonably priced jerseys. What are Rapha saying ” you pay our prices or take a hike” outrageous.
    I wouldnt mind but by nature Rapha is retro through and through. their designs hark back to previous decades designs.
    Anyone else feel the same way ? any Torm owners out there feel Rapha are dictating prices here ?

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  • January 26, 2011 at 4:38 pm #640127
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    Fringe

    dave_atkinson wrote:I’m

    dave_atkinson wrote:
    I’m building up an old reynolds 501 frame with a two-speed kickshift at the moment, and intend to do some big rides on it. No carbon super bike for me :-)

    like the LVIS 200km in march for instance?

    January 26, 2011 at 4:20 pm #640125
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    11speedaddict

    to dave atkinson
    actually i
    to dave atkinson
    actually i have sold my addict R1 uberlight frame for a “steel is real” Enigma Extensor XCR custom frame . effectively changed to a heavier bike. But what a bike .
    it’ll be fun dropping all the rapha wearing cervelo riding pro wannabe s up all the climbs. heh heh what with me on my steel bike and cheap imitation jersey 👿

    January 26, 2011 at 3:22 pm #640123
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    James Warrener

    11speedaddict wrote:to

    11speedaddict wrote:
    to jimmythecuckoo
    this is the problem – i own rapha jerseys and i own torm jerseys .Honestly the difference between the jerseys is negligable.I actually find the fit better on the torm.
    IN FACT if they were both £120 and i needed a new top i’d buy the Torm beacuase of the fit but thats just my preference.

    As I say I have never directly compared but I will be considering a purchase now 😕 😕 😕

    January 26, 2011 at 3:18 pm #640121
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    dave atkinson

    I’m building up an old
    I’m building up an old reynolds 501 frame with a two-speed kickshift at the moment, and intend to do some big rides on it. No carbon super bike for me 🙂

    January 26, 2011 at 3:09 pm #640119
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    11speedaddict

    to jimmythecuckoo
    this is the
    to jimmythecuckoo
    this is the problem – i own rapha jerseys and i own torm jerseys .Honestly the difference between the jerseys is negligable.I actually find the fit better on the torm.
    IN FACT if they were both £120 and i needed a new top i’d buy the Torm beacuase of the fit but thats just my preference. The fact that i can buy 2 of the cheaper jerseys for the cost of a rapha is a massive bonus.this is whats worrying rapha.they have probably held a torm jersey in their hands and not been able to dismiss it as a cheap imitation. quality wise nothing in it.
    as for Cervelo12 response “Rapha customers wouldn’t want to wear cheaper imitations,” I am a rapha customer and i wear torm, we / I ride bikes for many reasons but not to pose / show off. i find the riders with the super bikes and “all the expensive gear” hardly ride and are the 1st to be dropped.this is probably a whole new forum topic.
    and before people start slagging me off for this observation – i have a £5k super bike and assos £200 shorts so i am one of them dropped riders.we have the 5kg carbon bikes to make up for our lack of fitness…discuss. 👿

    January 26, 2011 at 2:22 pm #640117
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    James Warrener

    I feel really sorry for Torm
    I feel really sorry for Torm in this instance.

    Not having seen both products in close proximity I cannot comment on the similarities but its hardly like they and Rapha are after the same market is it?

    If you have £120 to buy a Rapha jersey you aren’t going to suddenly spend £50 on a Torm one. Its about the brand as much as the performance.

    I would have thought a bit of lower end competition might drive Rapha to design bigger and better products.

    January 26, 2011 at 2:17 pm #640115
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    VecchioJo

    i’m not sure which language
    i’m not sure which language they’ve ‘borrowed’ the ø from
    😉

    January 26, 2011 at 1:48 pm #640113
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    Cervelo12

    I think the whole point of
    I think the whole point of Rapha is the price, everyone know’s that a jersey made in China doesn’t cost alot but it has Rapha on it, so what if Torm can make the same jersey for half the price and still make money. People buy rapha because it’s a desirable brand and i doubt if Rapha are worried about torm becuase Rapha customers wouldn’t want to wear cheaper imitations, the only people who would buy torm are the people who refused to pay Rapha prices in the first place. If I were Rapha I would put the prices up and make it even more exclusive because if anything they have become a victim of their own sucess and become too popular.

    January 26, 2011 at 1:29 pm #640111
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    dave atkinson

    Also, is that a Norwegian ø?
    Also, is that a Norwegian ø? Should we be saying ‘Turm’? But the fabric is Danish I think, so maybe it’s a Danish ø. In which case I won’t be able to pronounce it, so my Swedish friends delight in telling me, without putting a potato in my mouth 🙂

    January 26, 2011 at 1:15 pm #640109
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    VecchioJo

    does this mean that Tørm
    does this mean that Tørm aren’t a ‘cheeky homage’ to Rapha any more?
    😀

    January 26, 2011 at 12:20 pm #640107
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    Tony Farrelly

    So you’re not wrong then
    So you’re not wrong then 11speedaddict. I’m wondering though whether that might be a special Revolution kit or one where the wool mix is really low?

    January 26, 2011 at 12:16 pm #640105
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    dave atkinson

    dave_atkinson wrote:Ed Clancy

    dave_atkinson wrote:
    Ed Clancy et al certainly weren’t wearing Sportwool at Revolution so presumably they have both wool and lycra kits that they can select depending on the race?

    having said that, they may just have been low-wool-mix Sportwool 😕

    January 26, 2011 at 12:12 pm #640103
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    11speedaddict

    The jerseys have been
    The jerseys have been modified (i believe) so that there is now a white stripe on rear pockets. Not sure if this has been ok ed by the mighty Rapha legal eagles.
    I suggest emailing Torm (they do reply)- they will give you a better idea.
    anyhow this has left me a bad taste my mouth.
    I hope torm get it together and go from strength to strength.
    David or goliath(with pink accents) – i know who i’ll buy

    January 26, 2011 at 11:01 am #640101
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    cactuscat

    @11speedaddict – does your
    @11speedaddict – does your insider knowledge extand to knowing when that’ll happen? 🙂

    January 26, 2011 at 9:52 am #640099
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    dave atkinson

    Ed Clancy et al certainly
    Ed Clancy et al certainly weren’t wearing Sportwool at Revolution so presumably they have both wool and lycra kits that they can select depending on the race?

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