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October 15, 2018 at 8:47 pm #29047
Stratman
I’ve been using these for a few weeks now, and today was the first specially wet day. Back tyre slipped out coming down a steep hill that I descend every day. I was just able to hold it, but finished up pretty much in the opposite gutter. Had a couple of minor slips on the way home, including climbing the same hill.
Has anyone else found this? If they are as bad as this, then they may have to go, so any other suggestions for 4 seasons tubeless?
Thanks
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BBB
Another option – Specialized
Another option – Specialized Roubaix tubeless in 28mm or 32mm casing.
theflatboy
OK thanks Legion, that’s a
OK thanks Legion, that’s a bit annoying as I was hoping they might be an unsung golden bullet option…
I wish Contintental would step up to the mark with tubeless – I find the 4 Seasons decent enough and would definitely take a tubeless set in 28 if they existed!
Miller
I’m a fan of the original
I’m a fan of the original Schwalbe One (non Pro). It was a heavier tyre but it rolled well and was robust. Nowadays I have Pro One 25 on the back of my TT bike, as it is fast, but I’m not convinced it’s an everyday tyre.
My this year’s favourite is Schwalbe G-One Speed (previously S-One) in 30mm. On a 26mm rim it inflates out to only 29mm. I’ve found it very fast and quite robust, I’ve done some mixed terrain rides on it successfully. It shows wear quickly and it’s not invulnerable but it’s only stopped me at the roadside once when I clattered into a pothole and put a cut in the sidewall. Then again, it was easy to swap in a tube to get home as the bead is not horrifically tight.
L3gion
theflatboy wrote:Very disappointing stuff, not many tubeless 28mm tyres around that I can see. I’m looking at getting a pair of WTB Exposure 30s as a replacement for front and back already, have very little confidence in the Sector!I’d be careful about that as the WTB exposure is a similar design and a quick look around some reviews suggests that the “harder wearing” centre line tread makes them poor performers in the wet…
peted76
Tubeless Schwalbe Pro Ones
Tubeless Schwalbe Pro Ones here. 25mm on summer and 28mm on winter spec bike, good grip in all weather. 73kg’s running 28mm at 70/75psi. (Front/Rear)
I think the Pro One compound might be different to the One ? Either way, they are expensive tryes and are very soft and cut up easily. I have no problems with punctures (tubeless sorts all that out) but they do wear out pretty quick.
This is a timely thread – I
This is a timely thread – I have only just got round to trying road tubeless, with a Sector 28 for the back wheel only (tubed Conti 4 Seasons remaining on the front).
Got it seated and set-up no problem on Saturday, went out once on Sunday morning and once this morning, both wet / damp days. The Sector is atrocious – tubeless aspect couldn’t be better and no complaints there, but it has no grip. On Sunday, nearly dropped it turning right from one road to another and then again turning right round a roundabout; this morning, massive wheelspin trying to pull across a main road, tons of wheel spin going up a moderate hill and a couple of massive skids under braking as well. I’m only glad I had the grip for steering and braking up front, and that I didn’t have the Sector on both wheels!
Very disappointing stuff, not many tubeless 28mm tyres around that I can see. I’m looking at getting a pair of WTB Exposure 30s as a replacement for front and back already, have very little confidence in the Sector!
Shades
Haven’t got any experience of
Haven’t got any experience of these tyres but I always think there’s a theme to threads re skittish tyres in the wet; high puncture resistance. Maybe it’s just one of those things that ‘comes with the territory’.Stratman, I’ve had the same
Stratman, I’ve had the same experience.
My Hunt wheels (from previous bike) came shod with Pro Ones (tubeless), amazingly fast tyres with no particular problems in the wet that I noticed but terrible durability. Puncture after puncture that wouldn’t seal. I tolerated this a few times and then binned them (because they were unusable with so much damage anyway) to replace with some Sector 32’s (again running tubeless).
The sectors have seemed really good right up until early this week when they got their first taste of damp/greasy roads. Horrible sensations, I could just feel them sliding and moving about…and I rode motorbikes for 20 years straight so I’m happy with all sorts of bad behaviour (KTM anyone?)
I’ve taken those Hunt wheels straight off and put back the original wheels shod with Bontrager R3 hard case lites (tubed). So far they seem better but its dried up a fair bit so time will tell. On my gravelly bike the G-one allrounds (35mm) were completely bombproof in the wet, couldnt even tell. Pity they don’t really fit my domane or I’d consider using them.
I’d like a good 32mm tubeless option for the wet…
bamboo
Used to ride on Contis,
Used to ride on Contis, switched to Hutchinson Sector 28s for my commute and longer rides, running them tubeless. Great tires, have not had a real flat since I put them on – occasionally noticed that there was a bit of white fluid when I got home, pumped the tyre back up and was ready for the next day. On bigger gaps I put a patch on the inside once at home.
Friend of mine still runs Contis, whenevery we go out for a longer ride I can pretty much guarantee that he will flat at least once…
I am running the Sectors with 60-80psi. Grip is better then I had on the Contis previously (which were 23s on ca. 100psi). Both have issues in the rain. Given that my commute is on busy roads, I tend to reduce speed in the rain (or in other impaired driving conditions) anyway.
HoarseMann
Stratman wrote:Thanks all for the comments, I may be running them at too high pressure, I’ll try them a little softer.I’ve ridden the same hill hundreds of times on GP4S and never once had a slip.
On the few occasions I’ve been swayed by the claims of the latest and greatest, I’ve always ended up going back to Conti’s.
Thanks all for the comments,
Thanks all for the comments, I may be running them at too high pressure, I’ll try them a little softer.
I’ve ridden the same hill hundreds of times on GP4S and never once had a slip.
johnvrcc
I had some trouble on Sector
I had some trouble on Sector 32s recently on a rainy trip to the Lake District. Slipped once going uphill when I got out of the saddle so I did the rest of the climbs seated. Slipped a couple of times going downhill very slowly and ended up walking one steep section after losing my nerve. I was riding next to someone with GP4000s 28s and they had no issues, so I can say they are almost certainly grippier in the wet than Sectors. I’m 82kg and ride 50-60psi. My friend’s GP4000s were around 85psi I believe for a similar weight rider.
Very happy with them otherwise
hawkinspeter
dottigirl wrote:What pressures do you ride them on for your weight? Do you knock any air out in bad weather?hawkinspeter wrote:Haven’t tried the Sectors, but I had a very similar issue with Schwalbe Ones in the wet (reducing the tyre pressure below 70psi helped a bit).I’ve ridden with someone who was skittering everywhere on Ones. The tyre pressure being too high was probably the reason, but I wasn’t impressed.
I was trying to run the 25mm Schwalbes at around 80psi (I’m approx 90-95kgs) and they would just skid on any surface moisture. At around 65psi they behaved a bit better, but I changed them as soon as I wore them out which doesn’t take very long with the Pro Ones.
I’ve currently got a 28mm IRC on the front that is lasting a long time and a 28mm Maxxis Padrone on the rear and have them both at around 70-80 psi. So far, the Padrone seems to be excellent – good grip and feels fast. The IRC has excellent grip, but I suspect that it’s not as pliable as other tyres and hence not quite as quick.
I don’t think I’ll bother with the Schwalbes again.
dottigirl
What pressures do you ride
What pressures do you ride them on for your weight? Do you knock any air out in bad weather?
hawkinspeter wrote:Haven’t tried the Sectors, but I had a very similar issue with Schwalbe Ones in the wet (reducing the tyre pressure below 70psi helped a bit).I’ve ridden with someone who was skittering everywhere on Ones. The tyre pressure being too high was probably the reason, but I wasn’t impressed.
hawkinspeter
Haven’t tried the Sectors,
Haven’t tried the Sectors, but I had a very similar issue with Schwalbe Ones in the wet (reducing the tyre pressure below 70psi helped a bit).
I ended up getting some IRC Formula Pros from Cycleclinic (https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/products/2017-irc-formula-pro-fusion-x-guard-tubeless-tyres) which were very confidence inspiring and seemed to be hard wearing as well.
I’ve since started using Maxxis Padrones (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/maxxis-padrone-tubeless-ready-folding-tyre/) which feel a lot more supple than the IRCs and haven’t given me any trouble with lack of grip in the wet.
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