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October 15, 2018 at 8:47 pm #29047
Stratman
I’ve been using these for a few weeks now, and today was the first specially wet day. Back tyre slipped out coming down a steep hill that I descend every day. I was just able to hold it, but finished up pretty much in the opposite gutter. Had a couple of minor slips on the way home, including climbing the same hill.
Has anyone else found this? If they are as bad as this, then they may have to go, so any other suggestions for 4 seasons tubeless?
Thanks
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@Tony Bang: I ended up
@Tony Bang: I ended up binning my Sector 28’s. Simply too risky in the wet, I had one spill and a number of (very) close calls on them and the required extra caution ended up disproportionally affecting my confidence, speed and above all, enjoyment. When the leaves started falling and covering the cycling paths that I take on my commute, making them ultra slippery, I decided it was time to throw the towel. I think the Sectors are designed to be ultra-durable with a very stiff compound. The tradeoff seems to be low grip in the wet. Can’t give you a solid recommendation for a winter alternative though, am currently riding René Herse Barlow Pass extralights. They’re a 38 mm tyre that I run tubeless at 2.3-2.4 bar. Good grip in the wet as long as you stick to tarmac (I also ride gravel) and a very fast tyre but they come with other tradeoffs.
Tony Bang
L3gion wrote:I did a little bit of wheel swapping to test today (not as wet as I wanted but useful anyway). Still, there were opportunities to hammer the brakes hard on wet sections under trees etc.Bontrager R3 Hard Case Lites 32mm @ 60psi (tubes)
Hutchinson Sector 32mm @50psi (tubeless)
I have to say the Sectors felt much better behaved @50psi than they did at 60-70psi, and surprisingly comfy and fast. I tried dropping it to 40psi whilst on the way back but tbh this made them feel worse. So I think 50psi feels about right for me (70kg)
Either way the R3’s were providing better grip on the wet sections, even @60psi.
I’ve sent Hutchinson a question asking for guidance on pressure for the Sectors but no response yet.
L3gion – Did you ever get a response from Hutchinson?
Miller
I ran a pair of Hutchinson
I ran a pair of Hutchinson Fusion 5 All Season TLR in 28mm last winter. It’s a lovely tyre, easy to fit, gave me no hassle, rolls nicely, no lack of grip, not that expensive. Not sure I’ve had a single noticeable puncture with them. Downside for you, not available in 32mm. That’s a shame as I think a 32mm version of those would be a very good tyre.
Another tyre I have loved is the Schwalbe G-One Speed. Among other sizes it’s available in 30mm. For a gravel-inclined tyre it’s remarkably quick. Good grip, works well on mixed surfaces, but does show wear quite quickly.
9 months ago, last winter I
9 months ago, last winter I went tubeless (after a bad run of punctures) – my bike shop selected Hutchinson Sector 32s, which they fitted for me. 2 months later I was riding at speed in a small group downhill – it was a cold day, road surface wet – the guy immediately in front of me suddenly braked – I braked too to avoid hitting him – lost the backend of the bike – fractured my collar bone (needed surgery to bring the bone ends together!).
Back on the bike 3 months ago but riding a bit more cautiously when wet! I am taking my bike away somewhere warmer for 4 weeks in the winter. I planned to buy a spare tyre to take away with me when I came across this thread – there are other similar wet weather concerns on Sectors on individual tyre reviews (Wiggle etc). After reading some of the comments in this thread I have reduced my pressures from 60 to 30. On the lower pressures, there seems to be no loss of speed & the ride is better.
My dilemma is do I stay with these tyres at lower pressures or do I find a new brand to minimise risk of another tumble!? If I were to bin these what would I pick for a 32 tubeless – Continental GP 5000 or Goodyear Eagle All Season or maybe something else? Advice would be welcomed.
I’ve found out the hard way
I’ve found out the hard way that Sector 28’s offer next to no grip in the wet when new. They require about 80-100 miles for the smooth surface coating/upper layer to wear off. Be extremly cautious when riding in wet weather during that period.
After that they’re fine, very grippy in the dry, no worse than others I’ve tried (Conti, Schwalbe) in the wet. They’re also VERY hard-wearing, which is a consideration when commuting and doing lots of miles/year. I take them off and switch to 40 mil tyres run at low pressure once temperatures start to hit freezing (November-end of March) because -at least subjectively- I feel the low temparatures make the compound too hard and affect grip.
Hutchinson’s pressure guides are a mess, the website says one thing, the sidewalls on my set say to inflate to a minimum of 6 and a maximum of 7 bars (which is way too high for my weight). I usually ride them at about 5 bar.
L3gion
I did a little bit of wheel
I did a little bit of wheel swapping to test today (not as wet as I wanted but useful anyway). Still, there were opportunities to hammer the brakes hard on wet sections under trees etc.
Bontrager R3 Hard Case Lites 32mm @ 60psi (tubes)
Hutchinson Sector 32mm @50psi (tubeless)
I have to say the Sectors felt much better behaved @50psi than they did at 60-70psi, and surprisingly comfy and fast. I tried dropping it to 40psi whilst on the way back but tbh this made them feel worse. So I think 50psi feels about right for me (70kg)
Either way the R3’s were providing better grip on the wet sections, even @60psi.
I’ve sent Hutchinson a question asking for guidance on pressure for the Sectors but no response yet.
paulrattew
I’ve got 28mm hutchinson
I’ve got 28mm hutchinson sectors on my bike at the moment and I’ve found their wet weather grip to be good. I’m running then at around 70psi (I’m just over 80 kilos). Recently did Land’s End to John O’Groats on them and they were great. They do take a good bit of wearing in when brand new, but that’s generally my experience for all road tubeless tyres.
The hutchinson fusion 5 11storm tyres are faster and grippier than the sectors (and the pro ones), but more lightweight / not as resilient.
Miller
Tubeless can take low
Tubeless can take low pressures easily. As I have found on a few occasions when I’ve discovered there has been an air leak and pressure is much lower than I thought.
Fwiw, on my road bike with 25mm IRC tubeless I’m running about 70psi, and the bike with the G-One Speeds which are nominally 30mm, 50 – 60 psi.
theflatboy
Good tip about the Spesh
Good tip about the Spesh Roubaix 2bliss (wtf? :lol:), hadn’t noticed those are available as an option. But point also taken about pressure. I’m doing a Kent ride on Saturday so will try dropping the rear 10psi and see if that makes a difference.
Just to show how confusing it
Just to show how confusing it is – as well as the very low pressures recommended on the packaging, the actual sidewall of the tyre says:
Min 58psi
Rec 70psi
Max 87psi
Make your mind up Hutchinson…
Jacknorrell, I have put many
Jacknorrell, I have put many miles on them, so I will look at pressure – it does seem like a theme.
Flatboy, I too would take tubeless GP4S if they existed.
Jacknorrell, I have put many
Jacknorrell, I have put many miles on them, so I will look at pressure – it does seem like a theme.
Flatboy, I too would take tubeless GP4S if they existed.
jacknorell wrote:
jacknorell wrote:Ran Sector 28s for two years. Most people run tubeless at too high pressure and you get poor grip. Also, they’re slippery until used for a few hours, but at appropriate pressure grip is decent even in shit conditions.You might be right there – I just remembered being surprised at the odd pressure guide on the packaging of my sector 32’s:
<60kg / 26psi
60-80kg / 29-30.5psi
>80kg / 33psi
I’ve been at around 60psi (70kg). 30psi just seems insanely low? I can imagine me getting out of the saddle to climb and just watching the front squish flat into the road. (I was running about 60psi in my 28mm pro ones)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1w-BCSSPWfRfbGssMv3wnFCG4IsUkd4uU
jacknorell
Ran Sector 28s for two years.
Ran Sector 28s for two years. Most people run tubeless at too high pressure and you get poor grip.Also, they’re slippery until used for a few hours, but at appropriate pressure grip is decent even in shit conditions.
Russell Orgazoid
Been running Sector 28s a
Been running Sector 28s a while now. 70kg and about 60psi.
Never had an issue and better in every way the 4season tyres i had previously that said 28mm but were more like 26mm. Maybe the contis are made by VW.
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