Toxic Air Catastrophe!

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  • #914627
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    Canyon48
    srchar wrote:
    wellsprop wrote:
    <a load of hypocritical bollocks including guff about electric planes and “doing anything to own an electric car” – anything except actually buying one>

    So, as long as it doesn’t affect your lifestyle at all, including flying a plane for fun, you’ll happily do your bit to reduce air pollution. As long as everyone else either pays more tax, or completely loses the ability to make a long journey in a car, or both. Right.

    That’s not what I was getting at. I would happily modify my behaviour to reduce pollution, trouble is, I don’t have the money to adopt the latest technology (or that technology isn’t available).

    I’d buy a Tesla right away if I had tens of thousands of pounds spare!

    I’d happily fly an electric plane over a massively polluting Avgas one, if they were in production.

    Tesla’s are able to travel long distances, 200 miles +.

    don simon wrote:
    srchar wrote:
    wellsprop wrote:
    <a load of hypocritical bollocks including guff about electric planes and “doing anything to own an electric car” – anything except actually buying one>

    So, as long as it doesn’t affect your lifestyle at all, including flying a plane for fun, you’ll happily do your bit to reduce air pollution. As long as everyone else either pays more tax, or completely loses the ability to make a long journey in a car, or both. Right.

    Yes, that’s the general spirit! This changing behaviour for the good of others, is, well, better off done by others. I’d like to help, but it’s a bit inconvenient at the moment…

    I’m more than happy to change my behaviour reduce pollution, it just isn’t possible without a massive lump of cash.

     

    #914625
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    Boatsie

    hawkinspeter wrote:

    hawkinspeter wrote:

    Boatsie wrote:
    I read your name, in awe of great coordination of communication loss; late professor Hawkins. I mean no disrespect yet yeah you’re all barking mad. Toxic air could be used in a recyclable closed environment to study air displacement theory and use some advantage in aero bicycles. It is similar to hydrodynamics and water displacement used with semi planing kayak hulls. I took some photos of my old mates boat and believe it to be that of Olympic class 50+ years old. It’s pretty easy to use water to see how air can propel bicycles in a similar fashion. With regards to black hole, the theory I recognized is failure, children should devert their eyes and go the opposite way of air-water by studying light displacement theory is in my best interest too because I live on this planet, the local star( our daily light) needs repair and knowing what a pistol is you wouldn’t leave a loaded pistol next to an unsupervised 2 year old neither!!!!! Wondering.. Want a beer Concorde? Maybe we could drop some stout when the ‘ranga rings the pretty girl. Far, far away

    Hawking. His name was Stephen Hawking.

    Ta.
    Never met the good man.
    The theory I saw regarding black hole isn’t correct though!
    Years ago a friend was a bully. Seeing from shadows is hindsight to comprehend he was often teased because he was huge and didn’t like replying to idiots hence possibly presumed dumb. At his age of 18 years and about 2 hours I had drank 14 bottles of full strength beer within 2 hours. I thought I was pissing on a tree stump but the the tree stump transformed into a wooden dummy and beat me broken. I am 6’4 and mere of size to him. Ouch. Anyway I believe he grew up, scare was gifted instead of police charges and from such I was able to grasp 31 dimensions; knocked out black on the 32ND attack. The black hole theory isn’t correct.
    Anyway, believing 4 dimensions ample per bicycling; point, line, shape and time; I hope we help clear, earth’s polluted and I am out of ability to convince governments and such why pyramids and tiger are part of earth.
    I am humble, really amazed too, he was genius.

    #914623
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    brooksby
    hawkinspeter wrote:
    I’d imagine that different plants in the cigarettes probably wouldn’t make much difference to the particulate distribution.

    I wonder if you can get a grant for that…? 

    #914621
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    hawkinspeter
    ktache wrote:
    If it smells of petrol or diesel you are smoking the wrong stuff.

    I think Brooksby is getting confused between different types of toxic air.

    Although I personally find traffic fumes to be more unpleasant (especially at the concentrations in Britol), it appears that cigarettes produce a more harmful spectrum of particles:

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6312-cigarettes-more-polluting-than-diesel-exhaust/

    I’d imagine that different plants in the cigarettes probably wouldn’t make much difference to the particulate distribution.

    #914619
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    hawkinspeter

    Boatsie wrote:

    Boatsie wrote:
    I read your name, in awe of great coordination of communication loss; late professor Hawkins. I mean no disrespect yet yeah you’re all barking mad. Toxic air could be used in a recyclable closed environment to study air displacement theory and use some advantage in aero bicycles. It is similar to hydrodynamics and water displacement used with semi planing kayak hulls. I took some photos of my old mates boat and believe it to be that of Olympic class 50+ years old. It’s pretty easy to use water to see how air can propel bicycles in a similar fashion. With regards to black hole, the theory I recognized is failure, children should devert their eyes and go the opposite way of air-water by studying light displacement theory is in my best interest too because I live on this planet, the local star( our daily light) needs repair and knowing what a pistol is you wouldn’t leave a loaded pistol next to an unsupervised 2 year old neither!!!!! Wondering.. Want a beer Concorde? Maybe we could drop some stout when the ‘ranga rings the pretty girl. Far, far away

    Hawking. His name was Stephen Hawking.

    #914617
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    Boatsie

    Disgusting aren’t we.
    Disgusting aren’t we.
    People complain that I walk with stench yet I can’t understand why aluminium and alcohol are allowed upon our skins!
    Bad breath too!
    Peace be with you

    Just going on… Because unless I’m really an old retarded foolish idiot; isn’t some strength derived from onlooker admiration and would some animal/ insect creeds be of obvious seek to improve their dance via admiration of us humans! Commonwealth games support common wealth athletes hence is not common wealth common health regardless of species!
    Our government is a bunch if twats too!!!

    #914615
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    Boatsie

    And thank you kindly fast
    And thank you kindly fast bird. I dislike being known, I haven’t a clue about modern monarchs, or our societies, but I do know that I’m treated as scum often not being rich and pretty friggin common. But believe it or not in 2006 I demonstrated a human ability to pass 6+ metres of destructive electromagnetic force from my palm which could be why a lot of silent people recognize me as their king.
    Earth won’t take much more and educating masses of fucking idiots is beyond me hence I like this topic because as cyclists, you guys that ride into London are beautiful assisting YOUR queen and 1 of her simple wishes to breath fresher air. I don’t know her majesty yet as an animal that is a simple wish all have. Keep saving her, you’re doing great.

    #914613
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    Boatsie

    Often a bunch of friggin
    Often a bunch of friggin cowards then! Remember the thousands of wise men whom were watched burning alive because the bunch of cowards thought they were gods gift to society and cleared some vast forest! I have been picked on more than most realize already, I have had this body dead twice already thanks and fruit cake would be lovely, as would scones with jam and cream!! Quite sane thank you, just sick of the thieves and common petty nature that doesn’t compute here as too why lots of humans aren’t accepting that the naked masses of other species are just as brilliant! I know we’re smart because at least we are liking bicycles!!
    With forest destruction water is even more valuable as is our opposite and less ability to create from the carbon in our air!
    Ever thought of magnet drive propulsion systems per the masses of ships? There’s heaps of viable research to be done!
    If able to either teach or tell, something important such as allowing mother earth to breath would probably be gifted as learn which is sad because I’m known as an old fool yet wanna know their teachers and education?
    Cheers wd40, didn’t realize it gave a residue. Bike needs a wash, what’s the go please? Toothbrush with wash bucket?
    BTW we can leave our heads in the sand too, might find something that saddens we if we look!

    Electric cars look great, old mate; a professor, used to remove the engine, lock the box in 3rd, throw 5 batteries in the boot, register and drive about 80km per max. Batteries have evolved lots in 10 years, lithium ion now a lot cheaper and the newer lithium…… (?) Isn’t as violent when exposed. (Couldn’t understand why kayakers kept a bomb next to their seats although understood a pump).

    #914611
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    ktache

    If it smells of petrol or

    If it smells of petrol or diesel you are smoking the wrong stuff.

    #914609
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    brooksby
    wellsprop wrote:
    I commute across Bristol every day, often on my bike. The stench of petrol and diesel (diesel in particular) often makes me feel VERY sick when I cycle – the pollution is horrendous.

    I support a total ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel private vehicles. This would have the added benefit of making the UK a massive market for electric vehicles, which should mean we would develop some of the best infrastructure for electric cars in the world and, potentially, become world leading in electric vehicles and their manufacture (something I, as an engineer, am very interested in!).

    I think higher tax is required on polluting vehicles (particularly the old inefficient ones). I think that congestion/pollution charges will become necessary.

    I am also aware that I am part of the problem. I often commute across the city centre and add to the traffic and pollution in my 15-year-old car. Why, because sometimes I’m not in the mood to cycle and the public transport is rubbish.

    I also fly an aircraft with a 5.4 litre displacement that drinks 10 gallons of avgas per hour and pumps vast amounts of pollution straight into the atmosphere without so much as seeing a catalytic converter. I realise this isn’t great either.

    That said I’d do anything to own a small electric car (as long as it’s big enough to fit a bike in the back). I’d also happily fly an electric plane.

    Commuting across Bristol I think you’ll find a lot of that “stench of petrol and diesel” is actually dope. A worryingly high number of bristolian cars seem to be driven by people smoking “funny cigarettes” (as they were called in my schooldays).

    #914607
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    ktache

    The automotive industry

    The automotive industry promotes new cars because they are the automotive industry.  Forgeting about the energy involved in manufacture.  They are still bigging up the diesel, probably relating to the lower CO2 released.  But they will all be bigger and heavier.  Why not small cars, must release less emmisions as smaller.  Are the CO2/km figures obtained on a rolling  road or do they relate to real world driving?  With proper acceleration of all that mass?  And unless there is regenerative braking slowing down is all heat, and then means more acceleration of mass.

    The WD40 thing.  I know it’s not a lubricant and I would never let it near my bicycles, but, there is someting left once it evaporates isn’t there?  There is slippery stuff near the nozzle, and the refilable bottle I inherited from the workshop in my last place of work (Gents your were missed) was covered in a very slippery film.

    #914605
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    FluffyKittenofTindalos

    ConcordeCX wrote:

    ConcordeCX wrote:

    well, I was thinking more along the lines of starting the cull and the mass murder with you and yours, not reading your biography. I’ve noticed that people who advocate this sort of population control always think overpopulation refers to other people, and the killing never starts with them. 

    There are too many of you, but just the right number of me!

    Maybe one day, in some context, overpopulation will indeed be the issue, but right now the problem is too many cars, being driven too much, not too many people.

    #914603
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    don simon fbpe
    srchar wrote:
    wellsprop wrote:
    <a load of hypocritical bollocks including guff about electric planes and “doing anything to own an electric car” – anything except actually buying one>

    So, as long as it doesn’t affect your lifestyle at all, including flying a plane for fun, you’ll happily do your bit to reduce air pollution. As long as everyone else either pays more tax, or completely loses the ability to make a long journey in a car, or both. Right.

    Yes, that’s the general spirit! This changing behaviour for the good of others, is, well, better off done by others. I’d like to help, but it’s a bit inconvenient at the moment…

    #914601
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    srchar
    wellsprop wrote:
    <a load of hypocritical bollocks including guff about electric planes and “doing anything to own an electric car” – anything except actually buying one>

    So, as long as it doesn’t affect your lifestyle at all, including flying a plane for fun, you’ll happily do your bit to reduce air pollution. As long as everyone else either pays more tax, or completely loses the ability to make a long journey in a car, or both. Right.

    #914599
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    Anonymous
    hawkinspeter wrote:
    ConcordeCX wrote:
    hawkinspeter wrote:
    ConcordeCX wrote:
    You’re all barking mad paranoid lunatics with a twist of fascism on the side

    So you’re not actually disagreeing, then?

    with what? The barking mad paranoid looney fascists, who are probably also swivvle-eyed, or the premise that something must be done about pollution?

    Any of the above?

    I think you’re a bit wide of the mark as Boatsie is a self-proclaimed king, so he can’t really be a fascist – more of a monarchist – and the rest of the commenters seem to be anti-government/anti-authoritarian.

    I would hazard a guess that anyone posting on road.cc is going to be anti-pollution. Personally, I think that tax on diesel should be raised and possibly have some kind of incentive for businesses to switch to cleaner vehicles. Then after a year, start raising tax on petrol too.

    However, politicians are scared/bought by the car industry and it would take a certain level of bravery and commitment to do this. That’s probably why the Maybot doesn’t want to do anything until 2040.

    I agree that something must be done about pollution.

    I disagree with the root causes that the Fruitcake Faction here have identified and with solutions that involve killing people and singling out immigrants for some deluded form of population control as proposed by LeftMySanityBehindTheBikeSheds.

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