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March 15, 2018 at 8:54 am #28253
hawkinspeter
Looks like there’s some kerfuffle about everyone poisoning the air that we breath.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43405684
Anybody got any views?
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srchar
Grahamd wrote:srchar wrote:I completely agree, Don. FWIW, I don’t advocate zero tolerance to cars with an ICE. I just don’t see a role that government can realistically play to get people out of cars for regular journeys of less than five miles, which IIRC account for 66% of car usage. What additional (and, being realistic, politically palatable) incentives do people need?The government could do many things, here’s a few:
– Obligate companies over a certain size to provide cycle storage, showers and changing facilities.
– Lower NI contributions for those who cycle to work to reflect the health improvements cycling brings.
– Admonish head teachers who overstep their remit regarding pupils cycling to school.
I don’t think those measures would do anything to encourage new riders onto bikes. There is a huge bike storage area and awesome showers and lockers where I work. Cycle commuters number less than ten on a floor of hundreds. Cycling is already way cheaper than other forms of transport, so a financial incentive isn’t going to make any difference. 3% of kids cycle to school. You can’t tell me that the other 97% don’t because of their headteachers’ attitude.
People who aren’t already on bikes will probably never be.
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hawkinspeter wrote:ConcordeCX wrote:You’re all barking mad paranoid lunatics with a twist of fascism on the sideSo you’re not actually disagreeing, then?
with what? The barking mad paranoid looney fascists, who are probably also swivvle-eyed, or the premise that something must be done about pollution?
Grahamd
srchar wrote:I completely agree, Don. FWIW, I don’t advocate zero tolerance to cars with an ICE. I just don’t see a role that government can realistically play to get people out of cars for regular journeys of less than five miles, which IIRC account for 66% of car usage. What additional (and, being realistic, politically palatable) incentives do people need?The government could do many things, here’s a few:
– Obligate companies over a certain size to provide cycle storage, showers and changing facilities.
– Lower NI contributions for those who cycle to work to reflect the health improvements cycling brings.
– Admonish head teachers who overstep their remit regarding pupils cycling to school.
hawkinspeter
ConcordeCX wrote:You’re all barking mad paranoid lunatics with a twist of fascism on the sideSo you’re not actually disagreeing, then?
srchar
I completely agree, Don. FWIW
I completely agree, Don. FWIW, I don’t advocate zero tolerance to cars with an ICE. I just don’t see a role that government can realistically play to get people out of cars for regular journeys of less than five miles, which IIRC account for 66% of car usage. What additional (and, being realistic, politically palatable) incentives do people need?
don simon fbpe
srchar wrote:I commute ten miles each way in London, whatever the weather (OK, the recent cold weather and resulting icy conditions saw me work from home one day and suffer the train the next). While I enjoy it, I also choose to cycle because the trains are unbearably over capacity during rush hour; buses are so slow as not to be a serious option; and while I’ve never tried commuting by car, I pass endless queues of them on my bike – it looks neither quick nor enjoyable. Both public transport and car ownership are expensive propositions compared to the humble bicycle. Environmental benefits aren’t why I ride – they’re a side benefit.There is rightly a lot of criticism directed at national and local government for their infrastructural shortcomings. But if the low cost, shorter journey times and health benefits of cycling aren’t enough to get 90% of commuters off more polluting modes of transport, I don’t know what is, but making people feel guilty about local air pollution isn’t it.
Living in a city the size of London should see reduced levels of car usage as public transport or cycling infrastructure should be excellent.
Not eveyone lives in a city, nor has a regular commute. So a zero tolreance to internaol combustion is not a realistic target.
The addition of planes and boats into Kyoto was a welcome change.
There are many unnecessary journeys made.
There is inefficient construction of housing, resulting in poorly insulated and poorly ventilated properties.
There is a drive for cheaper products that travel greater distances to get to us.
There seems to be a desire to wear t-shirts indoors throughout the year.
There are too few trees planted.
There is far too much money pushing governments into making poor decisions on our behalf.
srchar
I commute ten miles each way
I commute ten miles each way in London, whatever the weather (OK, the recent cold weather and resulting icy conditions saw me work from home one day and suffer the train the next). While I enjoy it, I also choose to cycle because the trains are unbearably over capacity during rush hour; buses are so slow as not to be a serious option; and while I’ve never tried commuting by car, I pass endless queues of them on my bike – it looks neither quick nor enjoyable. Both public transport and car ownership are expensive propositions compared to the humble bicycle. Environmental improvement isn’t why I ride – that’s a side benefit.
There is rightly a lot of criticism directed at national and local government for their infrastructural shortcomings. But if the low cost, shorter journey times, control of one’s own destiny and massive health benefits of regular cycling aren’t enough to get 90% of commuters off more polluting modes of transport, I don’t know what is (making people feel guilty about local air pollution and encouraging them to take personal ownership isn’t it).
I mean, why would you stand in a queue for a bus with fifty other people, cram yourself into sometimes armpit and spend half an hour bimbling three miles down the road? I just don’t understand it – if you’re able bodied, it must be laziness. Which brings me onto… eBikes. I think we’ll see a move en-masse onto eBikes over the next couple of years. Unfortunately, I think they will impact regular cycling negatively. But, the local air will be cleaner. Every cloud…
srchar
If only there were a cheap,
If only there were a cheap, easily accessible form of personal transportation that caused very little pollution during manufacture and emitted zero harmful emissions in use…
Anonymous
You’re all barking mad
You’re all barking mad paranoid lunatics with a twist of fascism on the side
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Boatsie wrote:
Boatsie wrote:Reducing pollution requires reducing the human population! 1 child families reduce faster than 2 child families then borderline growth begins at 3. I love riding.The UN want migration from the middle East to the West to make up for low birth rates in the incumbents (just check out their actual dictat that clearly states this) that low rate is forced by governments due to all the cutbacks and not just here. These governments are involved in invading and/or bombing the crap out of these ME countries on the back of ‘terrorism’ which has caused fewer deaths in the last 20 years than the 20 before … by a significant margin.
Terrorist attacks that IMHO are staged not by those faces put on our tv greens by the government lapdogs but by our own government who use it as a tool to exert power and control.
They could make changes to reduce polluion but May and others paymasters don’t want to.
hawkinspeter
@Davel – good point about the
@Davel – good point about the Ruskies. I’m very sceptical about the timing of the nerve agent attack as it seems auspicious for the Maybot to distract from the mess that is Brexit. It also seems a very clumsy attempt and almost as though it was designed to provoke a response (which doesn’t necessarily rule out that it was Russia behind it).
@Boatsie – I feel there are other alternatives we could try before thinning out the breeding population.
Boatsie
Reducing pollution requires
Reducing pollution requires reducing the human population!
1 child families reduce faster than 2 child families then borderline growth begins at 3.
I love riding.davel
On the radio news this
On the radio news this morning, I vaguely heard the story about £50m being made available immediately for a chemical defence lab, because, you know, a Russian spy is attacked once a decade.That was immediately followed by the ‘no shit, sherlock’ article here. Weirdly, the government doesn’t seem to have found anything down the back of the sofa so readily for something that kills people on a massive scale (there is a fund but it was paid for through a tax reshuffle), presumably because we’re all happily doing to ourselves/each other.
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