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  • November 5, 2017 at 2:47 pm #27813
    don simon fbpe

    I am interested improving the braking of the winter bike and wondering how, especailly after this mornings’ rain fest of a ride.

    It’s got, new, Fulcrum Racing Sport wheels, Aztec pads (which were recommended for wet braking) and Shitmano Tiagra brakes.

    It’s not top drawer kit and I’m interested in the mechanics of the system to see where braking can be improved.

    Better cable?

    Tightening of the cable?

    Change calipers?

    Better pads?

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  • November 26, 2017 at 5:44 pm #905661
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    don simon fbpe

    Yep! And pretty much on a

    Yep! And pretty much on a sixpence.

    Off to the mountains next weekend for a proper test. 🙂

    November 26, 2017 at 5:04 pm #905659
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    alansmurphy

    Have you stopped yet?
    Have you stopped yet?

    November 25, 2017 at 7:15 pm #905657
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    don simon fbpe

    105 calipers bought and

    105 calipers bought and fitted.

    Playtime tomorrow.

    🙂

    November 14, 2017 at 9:23 pm #905655
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    don simon fbpe
    JohnnyRemo wrote:
    Serious questions – when did they start getting called “brake pads” instead of “brake blocks” and why have I never noticed before???

    My apologies, I called them zapatas (or pastillas and no one would bat a eyelid) for a good few years and had forgotten the English word. It happens sometimes.

    November 14, 2017 at 2:58 pm #905653
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    davel
    JohnnyRemo wrote:
    Serious questions – when did they start getting called “brake pads” instead of “brake blocks” and why have I never noticed before???

    I call ‘pads’ the inserts that sit in the shoe, and ‘blocks’ the solid all-in-ones without separate shoes, that attach to the caliper themselves.

    November 14, 2017 at 2:38 pm #905651
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    JohnnyRemo

    Serious questions – when did

    Serious questions – when did they start getting called “brake pads” instead of “brake blocks” and why have I never noticed before???

    November 13, 2017 at 10:10 pm #905649
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    kil0ran
    don simon wrote:
    ChasP wrote:
    don simon wrote:
    There’s no Shimano logo, but otherwise they look identical.

    Looks like there’s either a swap to the set of Veloce that I’ve got on the singlespeed, or some shiny new Athena.

    Cheers for that. yes

    If you put campag brakes on with Shimano shifters they may work well but you won’t have a QR for removing the wheel (they’re on the lever).

    Good point and bugger! Shimano it’ll be then.

    Go with 105s, unless you need long drop. Usually available used for around £30 on eBay, or £60 new.

     

    November 13, 2017 at 9:35 pm #905647
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    hawkinspeter

    It’s well worth replacing the

    It’s well worth replacing the brake cable inners and outers – they can make a lot of difference to the performance when installed properly (no sharp bends and correct cable stops used).

    November 13, 2017 at 9:20 pm #905645
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    don simon fbpe
    ChasP wrote:
    don simon wrote:
    There’s no Shimano logo, but otherwise they look identical.

    Looks like there’s either a swap to the set of Veloce that I’ve got on the singlespeed, or some shiny new Athena.

    Cheers for that. yes

    If you put campag brakes on with Shimano shifters they may work well but you won’t have a QR for removing the wheel (they’re on the lever).

    Good point and bugger! Shimano it’ll be then.

    November 13, 2017 at 9:17 pm #905643
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    ChasP
    don simon wrote:
    There’s no Shimano logo, but otherwise they look identical.

    Looks like there’s either a swap to the set of Veloce that I’ve got on the singlespeed, or some shiny new Athena.

    Cheers for that. yes

    If you put campag brakes on with Shimano shifters they may work well but you won’t have a QR for removing the wheel (they’re on the lever).

    November 13, 2017 at 9:04 pm #905641
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    don simon fbpe

    There’s no Shimano logo, but

    There’s no Shimano logo, but otherwise they look identical.

    Looks like there’s either a swap to the set of Veloce that I’ve got on the singlespeed, or some shiny new Athena.

    Cheers for that. yes

    November 13, 2017 at 7:04 pm #905639
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    996ducati

    Check the calipers when you

    Check the calipers when you get 5 mins Don, Shimano put their name on the product so a genuine Tiagra looks like this http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/shimano-tiagra-r451-road-brake-caliper/rp-prod74105 If it isnt a genuine caliper it may be a good place to start, I bought one caliper to see if it was worth buying the second, it was! Check to see if the caliper is 49mm drop or 56mm drop, because this will determine which caliper you can use to upgrade.

    Sadly the 996 Ducati is now gone although I still have a nice Italian in the garage but these days its carbon fibre and pedal powered and definatly no Termignonis!

    Great racing but not the best result for Ducati 🙂

    November 13, 2017 at 4:28 pm #905637
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    don simon fbpe

    It is entirely possible that

    It is entirely possible that they’re not Tiagra calipers, they came on a Felt/Wiggle special. Caliper upgrade will be up a level and would consider putting Athena in thereas I know that they’re decent.

    Got to respect the comments from someone who can slip Ducati and 996 into their user name.  Awesome race yesterday and shame for both Dovizioso and Lorenzo…

    November 13, 2017 at 10:41 am #905635
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    996ducati

    I might be mistaken but arent

    I might be mistaken but arent Tiagra calipers long reach? I had this issue when upgrading the Tekro to Tiagra long reach. Also +1 for Swisstop, really good upgrade. Another issue mine has which is very strange, the RS-010 wheels supplied as OEM are awful for braking. It doesnt matter what pads, what bike or what caliper, they are always really bad. Changing the wheels to my summer bike set using the exact same calipers and pads transforms the bike! odd hey! PS are you sure they are genuine Shimano Tiagra calipers? Often they are not and upgrading to original Tiagra calipers at around £25 each will make a noticable difference.

    November 13, 2017 at 8:01 am #905633
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    don simon fbpe
    BrokenBootneck wrote:
    Winter bike, better braking?

     

    discs with wider tyres! 

     

     

     

     

    Sorry sorry couldn’t resist!

    Can I wear this one out before buying another one, please?

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