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  • November 5, 2017 at 2:47 pm #27813
    don simon fbpe

    I am interested improving the braking of the winter bike and wondering how, especailly after this mornings’ rain fest of a ride.

    It’s got, new, Fulcrum Racing Sport wheels, Aztec pads (which were recommended for wet braking) and Shitmano Tiagra brakes.

    It’s not top drawer kit and I’m interested in the mechanics of the system to see where braking can be improved.

    Better cable?

    Tightening of the cable?

    Change calipers?

    Better pads?

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  • November 12, 2017 at 8:14 pm #905631
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    BrokenBootneck

    Winter bike, better braking?

    Winter bike, better braking?

     

    discs with wider tyres! 

     

     

     

     

    Sorry sorry couldn’t resist!

    November 12, 2017 at 5:54 pm #905629
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    don simon fbpe

    Swisstop BXP bought and

    Swisstop BXP bought and fitted, they seem better than the Aztecs, but it wasn’t particulary wet today. Next stage will be to upgrade calipers, if needed.

    Thanks all and I’ll keep updating here.

    November 7, 2017 at 6:06 pm #905627
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    harman_mogul

    +1 for correct cable-stop

    +1 for correct cable-stop ferrules (assuming the outers are properly dressed)

    +1 for SwissStop, costly but work well and much less grimy than others

    And always the Mavic rim rubber to clean the rims from time to time.

    November 7, 2017 at 5:46 pm #905625
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    iandusud

    It may seem counterintuitive

    It may seem counterintuitive but I find that you get much better leverage if you don’t set the brakes up too sharp, ie have quite a lot of travel on the levers. It just means adjusting them a bit more often.

    November 7, 2017 at 4:57 pm #905623
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    Scoob_84

    I’ve never had any issues

    I’ve never had any issues with the shimano replacment pads. You can sometimes pick these up for around £5 a pair if you shop around online. These are consumable items so no point forking out and goign too exotic with these. 

    Cable replacement (inners and outers) should be your next port of call. Depending on how much you ride your bike, i’ll go for a new inner cables every winter and complete overhaul every 2 years as a minimum.

    November 7, 2017 at 5:37 am #905621
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    TypeVertigo

    If you can spring for it, on

    If you can spring for it, on your next change of cables, try going compressionless. Should improve the power of any cable-actuated brake – rim or disc.

    November 6, 2017 at 8:04 pm #905619
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    cyclisto

    Proper cable housing cutting
    Proper cable housing cutting and installation can do wonders. The rest is pads and tires.

    November 6, 2017 at 6:03 pm #905617
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    don simon fbpe

    Interesting conflict on

    Interesting conflict on reviews of the Aztecs, I think thay’re pretty rubbish and will begin a series of upgrades.

    1. Change pads.

    2. Change calipers.

    3 . Change cables.

    Then it’s off to those Welsh hills… laugh

    Thanks for the input.

    November 6, 2017 at 12:59 pm #905615
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    kil0ran

    105 5800 calipers are a big

    105 5800 calipers are a big upgrade over Tiagra, and relatively cheap. Generally considered to be as good as Ultegra but cheaper/heavier. If you’re buying from scratch by all means go with Ultegra as there’s not a huge price difference.

    Certainly no issues here this morning when I needed to do two full on emergency stops due to SMIDSYs.  Hauled me up sufficiently from 30mph to the point I locked and snaked the rear wheel. Should add that I’m not exactly lightweight at 18st either.

    My setup: Tiagra 4700 levers, 105 5800 calipers, standard Shimano Ultegra/Dura-Ace pads. Bare cable runs with just the barrel adjuster at the caliper to take out the slack.

    Things to check:

    1. Wind in both barrel adjusters

    2. Loosen cable

    3. Check all cable stops have the right ferrules – check the Shimano dealer manual

    4. Lube cable

    5. Centre calipers – there’s a small grub screw for this on the 105 level calipers

    6. Reinstall cable – put slight pressure on cable from lever to ensure it is seated properly and pull as tight as you can. Should be possible just using your hands but you can get a cable puller if needed.

    7. Nip up barrel adjusters to take out any slack and balance the required lever force. I run my rear brake softer than the front.

    One of my bikes has discs, the other rims. Kind of preferring the rim brakes, particularly after surprising myself this morning with their stopping power. 

     

     

    November 6, 2017 at 9:46 am #905613
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    madcarew

    Upgrading to ultegra calipers

    Upgrading to ultegra calipers will make an enormous difference (prob available relatively cheaply on e-bay or similar), and getting rid of the aztecs. I’ve found them to be about the worst available. Kool stop are ok, but swiss stop and Dura-ace are about the best. And grease contamination on rim brakes is effectively a non- issue. The pads are  non absorbent and the aluminium grinding paste sees to any oil / grease in no time. 

    November 6, 2017 at 9:00 am #905611
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    Canyon48

    I used 105 callipers and

    I used 105 callipers and Shimano pads (before I switched to disc brakes).

    I found what improved braking performance most was regularly cleaning the braking surface with isopropyl alcohol and filing the shiny surface off the brake pads.

    I got fed up of doing this, so I switched to discs (plus I didn’t want to wear away the carbon rims on my new bike!).

    November 5, 2017 at 9:43 pm #905609
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    davel

    Pads are one of the first
    Pads are one of the first things I tend to switch when I get a new bike. Decent pads over stock ones is noticeable. The Aztecs seem to have good punter reviews – but I can’t remember having used Aztec pads, so not sure what sort of step-up they are.

    I’m a fan of Swissstop, I’ve used them for years and know their range, but kool stop (salmon for wet) have been raved about on here so I’ll probably give them a go at some point.

    November 5, 2017 at 9:39 pm #905607
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    turnerjohn

    Try degreasing your rims and

    Try degreasing your rims and pads….could have got contaminated .

    swisstop pads I’ve found to be the best and whilst expensive they do last well (better than shimano I’ve found )

    November 5, 2017 at 7:09 pm #905605
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    BarryBianchi

    Better cable?

    Better cable?

    Tightening of the cable?

    Change calipers?

    Better pads?

    That plus cleaning your rims and pads.  I’m not sure Shimano are especially consistent in the pads they fit to various level calipers – well worth a try of some others.

     

    And of course some disc brakes….

    November 5, 2017 at 6:47 pm #905603
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    Welsh boy

    I upgraded from 105 to

    I upgraded from 105 to Ultegra calipers and I could not believe the improvement.  It might be worth looking on that well know auction site for some better calipers, the stock Shimano blocks were better in the wet than several aftermarket pads with a reputation as beeing good in the wet, I tried the Shimano ones and two other makes just to check and went back to the Shimano ones.  It would be worth fitting some new cables too.

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