Eating, Carbs and Keto

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    ianrobo

    I have been on a Keto diet for 4 months, for those of you that don;t know this is basically a very low level of carbs.

    In that time my calorie intake is basically the same but lost 10kg and even more benefit is I can compete say the Rise above sportive on no extra food during it. For training rides, can do 4 hours easy and my stats after an initial expected fall once fat adapted now storming up in front and constantly breaking Strava PB’s.

    None of this stuffing gels, or trying to eat a bar, or waiting at food stops to get a bannana. Nope just fill up the bottle and go. I compete last years Marmotte in 11 hours and usual thing of needing food with me, this year doing it again, aiming for up to three hours quicker and saving about an hour with no stopping.

    The benefits as I see it are enormous, we know Chris Froome does it and I suspect most of the pro peloton at stages in their training.

    So for the good readers here, what are you experiences if on Keto, have you thought about it and how many of you suffer from ‘stomach issues’ as I used to do with gels etc.

     

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  • #882793
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    ianrobo

    I do suspect far more pro’s

    I do suspect far more pro’s in endurance sports are on a form Keto for periods than care to admit in public.

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    Simon E

    ConcordeCX wrote:

    ConcordeCX wrote:
    asking why the top athletes are not doing this seems to me like a reasonable question which did not deserve your response.

    Disagree. spinner wasn’t asking a question, the inference was that he/she knows what top athletes do without explanation yet brought nothing constructive to the topic.

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    Anonymous
    Simon E wrote:
    ConcordeCX wrote:
    it’s interesting to read what ianrobo is doing, but on its own it’s no proof of anything.

    I agree and no-one was suggesting otherwise. Tossing in a comment like spinner did is unhelpful.

    Contributors can provide real-world experience by recreational riders that others can relate to.

    If we all ignore such experience and make decisions based solely on reading research papers – which can be misleading, misinterpreted and/or later contradicted by others, both of which do happen – we would be much worse off.

    well, with all due respect your reaction to spinner’s reply was rather overdone given that he asked a reasonable question in a reasonable way. I can’t see anyone suggesting that we make decisions solely on reading research papers or that we ignore the experience of contributors – you seem to be misinterpreting people’s replies.

    But if say Team Sky’s nutritionists had read all the research for us, which I expect they have, and consequently required all their riders to go on this diet, or conversely not to go on this diet, then that would be a fact worth knowing, and ianrobo’s experience would be even more interesting.

    Therefore asking why the top athletes are not doing this seems to me like a reasonable question which did not deserve your response.

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    ianrobo

    it is proof it works for me

    it is proof it works for me and that is what counts.

    In this position however I can not understand why anyone thinks carbs are important they are not …

    IMHO and backed up by science, however if people want to continue to ride on eating a 2000cal max ostore of carbs and I can access about 30K cal from fat, thats your choice.

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    Simon E

    ConcordeCX wrote:

    ConcordeCX wrote:
    it’s interesting to read what ianrobo is doing, but on its own it’s no proof of anything.

    I agree and no-one was suggesting otherwise. Tossing in a comment like spinner did is unhelpful.

    Contributors can provide real-world experience by recreational riders that others can relate to.

    If we all ignore such experience and make decisions based solely on reading research papers – which can be misleading, misinterpreted and/or later contradicted by others, both of which do happen – we would be much worse off.

    #882783
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    Anonymous
    Simon E wrote:
    It didn’t take long. 

    Do you live and train like a top athlete? No. Do you compete against and beat top athletes? No. Is IanRobo claiming to do that? Not that I can see.

    Have you tried it? If not then how do you know it doesn’t work?

    I’m all for healthy debate, debunking myths and marketing guff but your post is typical of the unhelpful, inflammatory bollocks some people feel they need to throw into these discussions.

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    there’s a world of nutrition research out there, in peer-reviewed publications. That’s how you know whether or not things work, not by personal experience or by anectodal evidence of a single data point.

    It seems perfectly reasonable to me to ask why top athletes aren’t using the latest magic/science given the resources available to them, and in the case of cycling the apparent willngness to do the dodgiest things to their bodies. And if they’re not using it it seems reasonable to suppose that it’s because it doesn’t work, or because it has long-term ill effects.

    it’s interesting to read what ianrobo is doing, but on its own it’s no proof of anything.

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    ianrobo

    Also Simon not looking to

    Also Simon not looking to increase power, this is about cutting two hours off Marmotte time by only stopping for water being lighter etc, for example my w/kg for FTP is no 2.81 for the Marmotte it was 2.75

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    Simon E
    spinner98 wrote:
    If it is soo wonderful then why are the top athletes still consuming carbs. Also where is your power data, you are just have anecdotal evidence, did your 5min power increase by 10 % or your 3 hour power increase by 10% or is it that you just ‘feel’ better. I would love to see this data as thus far no one is willing to share, not even Timmothy Noakes says which athletes are full keto. 

    It didn’t take long. 

    Do you live and train like a top athlete? No. Do you compete against and beat top athletes? No. Is IanRobo claiming to do that? Not that I can see.

    Have you tried it? If not then how do you know it doesn’t work?

    I’m all for healthy debate, debunking myths and marketing guff but your post is typical of the unhelpful, inflammatory bollocks some people feel they need to throw into these discussions.

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    ianrobo
    spinner98 wrote:
    If it is soo wonderful then why are the top athletes still consuming carbs. Also where is your power data, you are just have anecdotal evidence, did your 5min power increase by 10 % or your 3 hour power increase by 10% or is it that you just ‘feel’ better. I would love to see this data as thus far no one is willing to share, not even Timmothy Noakes says which athletes are full keto. 

    depends ont he sports, many of them are keto for training and use carbs for power efforts, check out Froome who is on Keto. Carbs during an effort only top you up. Attached power profile over the year  and you could say a slight decrease since August but I was peaking for the Marmotte, so be better to compare next July. for the Marmotte my FTP was approx 260W it is now aprrox 250 and with 10kg less well the results are clear aren’t they ?

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    Charlie-CarbsAndCycling

    If it is soo wonderful then

    If it is soo wonderful then why are the top athletes still consuming carbs. Also where is your power data, you are just have anecdotal evidence, did your 5min power increase by 10 % or your 3 hour power increase by 10% or is it that you just ‘feel’ better. I would love to see this data as thus far no one is willing to share, not even Timmothy Noakes says which athletes are full keto. 

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    ianrobo

    TheLonelyOne wrote:

    TheLonelyOne wrote:
    Can you provide some objective figures on calories consumed before and after your switch? Also, what happens if did do eat

    sure her is my yearly stats and before the break – carb and after Keto, the macros are carbs/fat/Protein working down the column

     

    the slight rise in calories at the begging was due to me thinking I needed more calories but not the case and then ramped back carbs more

     

    #882771
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    FatAndFurious

    Can you provide some
    Can you provide some objective figures on calories consumed before and after your switch?
    Also, what happens if did do eat

    #882769
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    ianrobo
    BBB wrote:
    Meanwhile overhelming majority of cyclists maintain their weight and fitness just as well or better without any “special” diets.

    not special just not eating processed crap into your body.

    Instead as you on a ride get desperate for food when carb stores run low – otherwise bonking or have to carry stuff, I carry on past you as you stuff yourself at a feed station or desperately looking for a shop.

    The feeling of not having to have a gel or a crappy energy drink or bananas etc is great.

    The choice is yours of course.

    For carb just read sugar/glucose thats all carbs are … nothing more

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    BBB

    Meanwhile overhelming

    Meanwhile overhelming majority of cyclists maintain their weight and fitness just as well or better without any “special” diets.

    #882765
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    ianrobo
    Simon E wrote:
    Leviathan wrote:
    I am guessing this is not compatible with being a vegan (not that I am one.) 

    It may take more effort than if eating meat, fish, dairy etc but it’s certainly not incompatible.

     

    think the big issue for vegans are potatoes

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