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September 20, 2023 at 4:06 pm #32701
Kapelmuur
I may have missed it but I’ve not seen this discussed here.
A (non cycling) message board I belong to has been in meltdown, ‘long delays to my journey’, ‘more accidents caused by drivers staring at their speedometers’, ‘increased pollution caused by slower traffic and car engines being inefficient at 20mph’.
Also many of them signing a protest petition despite non of them being Welsh or living in Wales!
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wycombewheeler
David9694 wrote:Englishman says he will ‘stop coming’ to Wales on holiday because it is ‘too risky’ with 20mph speed limit‘It looks as if Wales’ loss will be Devon’s gain’
I think you have your gain and loss mixed up
capedcrusader
And, and they didn’t put the
And, and they didn’t put the bloody signs up until after they had installed and activated the flippin traffic camera. Hence for a short while that camera became the most lucrative moneyspinner for any police force in the UK (~4000 people in a few days)
Simon E
Yeah but then you get to the A55 and chances are that you join a long queue somewhere, there seem to be multiple incidents that cause tailbacks every week.Drinfinity wrote:I was delayed by 90 minutes on my way back from Antur Stiniog*
*89’50” of that was on the M56, but imagine how much quicker I would have been if I could swerve through Llanrwst at 30.
The ‘grace period’ that lets drivers doing 25 mph (20% + 2mph instead of the usual 10% + 2,mph) off the hook after the introduction of the new 20 mph speed limit ends on 17 December. Not a moment too soon.
Some great comments about the bloke from Leamington Spa who won’t be visiting Wales again (already mentioned in this thread):
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/hilarious-responses-man-who-said-28004025
I’ll be back in Bangor at the weekend. I’m already looking forward to negotiating the relatively calm 20 mph traffic when I run a few errands and, weather permitting, get out for a proper bike ride.
Drinfinity
I was delayed by 90 minutes
I was delayed by 90 minutes on my way back from Antur Stiniog*
*89’50” of that was on the M56, but imagine how much quicker I would have been if I could swerve through Llanrwst at 30.
neilmck
Many towns here in France are
Many towns here in France are limited to 20mph and we don’t have the big motorist panic that there is in the UK. My town is limited to 20mph. I drive everywhere in 2nd gear and do not need to look at my speedometer. People do sometimes go over 20 but only in the same way that people used to go over 30. However a few very main roads have been kept to 30mph to give a strong incentive against rat running.
Cugel
David9694 wrote:Englishman says he will ‘stop coming’ to Wales on holiday because it is ‘too risky’ with 20mph speed limit‘It looks as if Wales’ loss will be Devon’s gain’
“Sadly we have deiced to call a stop to our Welsh breaks as we are not prepared to risk a large fine and three penalty points for accidently doing 22mph in a built up area. It looks as if Wales’ loss will be Devon’s gain. I might add that several of our acquaintances all feel the same. We will really miss Wales.”
It’s a little realised fact (I read it on a website once) that the Welsh 20mph limits in the villages and towns is to make it easier for those in The Welsh Hinterlands to capture English tourist, for rendering into pie-meat and also the stuff sold for kebabs.
Not that any Welsh person would eat such things. They sell them to the English tourists who manage to get through to Little England Beyond Wales. (I imagine that The Scot will enjoy them too, mind).
Cugel, adopted by The Welsh because too bitter for the pies.
Cugel
wtjs wrote:Wrexham magistrate quits rather than enforce 20mph lawGood news- it is to be hoped that many police officers will also do the decent thing and accept the consequences of their refusal to enforce pretty much any traffic law ever
In this day and age, would anyone notice the absence of the polis? For millions and millions, such an absence is already evident, unless you want to protest that “the authorities” are in cahoots with world-burning, war-mongering loons.
Mind, the avid polis of Derbyshire, was it, did all that policing of dog walkers in remote hill areas during Covid. If it wasn’t for droning after those dangerous terrorists with their dripping conks and evil hounds, we’d all be dead now!
And don’t forget their very important work stopping and lecturing grandads and little girls & boys daring to ride their bicycles without a polystyrene hat! If that sort of behaviour is allowed to spread, civilisation will soon crumble.
Then there’s all the hard work ignoring loons looning in cars ….. . It’s exhausting having to turn so many blind eyes!
David9694
Can’t see anything in the
Can’t see anything in the news today (the day after) about any of this.
David9694
Englishman says he will ‘stop
Englishman says he will ‘stop coming’ to Wales on holiday because it is ‘too risky’ with 20mph speed limit
‘It looks as if Wales’ loss will be Devon’s gain’
“Sadly we have deiced to call a stop to our Welsh breaks as we are not prepared to risk a large fine and three penalty points for accidently doing 22mph in a built up area. It looks as if Wales’ loss will be Devon’s gain. I might add that several of our acquaintances all feel the same. We will really miss Wales.”
wtjs
Wrexham magistrate quits
Wrexham magistrate quits rather than enforce 20mph law
Good news- it is to be hoped that many police officers will also do the decent thing and accept the consequences of their refusal to enforce pretty much any traffic law ever
Jogle
Wrexham magistrate quits
[b]Wrexham magistrate quits rather than enforce 20mph law[/b]chrisonabike
David9694 wrote:Multiple ‘go-slow’ protests planned over Wales’ 20mph speed limitThe protests are taking place as part of ‘National Convoy Day’ organised to oppose the Ultra Low Emission Zone in London
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So – lemme get this right – this is “malicious compliance”? Drivers are trying to make a point by pedantically following the law and driving extra carefully*?
Please can this be something that takes off and then becomes a regular thing, like drum and bass on a bike!
(* I’m assuming that they’re not invoking the Critical Mass rule of keeping going if traffic lights change when the group is passing through – though I’m not sure drivers of motor vehicles have the same excuse of “safety”.)
David9694
Multiple ‘go-slow’ protests
Multiple ‘go-slow’ protests planned over Wales’ 20mph speed limit
The protests are taking place as part of ‘National Convoy Day’ organised to oppose the Ultra Low Emission Zone in London
Boredtaxidriver62, you’re a genius: “Won’t happen, but a better protest, would be for all motorists in Wales, to use car for essential journeys only for a month. ‘They’ will immediately notice the difference in fuel tax.”
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/multiple-go-slow-protests-planned-27969177
bikeman01
I don’t think many would
I don’t think many would disagree that 20mph in villages and residential areas is a good thing. It’s what is has been happening in Oxfordshire for several months now.
Its the blanket reduction from 30mph to 20mph across both main roads and residential rpoads (wiith few exceptions) that people dont like.
When it’s possible to to avoid enforcement and make faster progress by cutting through residential neighbourhoods, something has gone wrong.
hawkinspeter wrote:quiff wrote:Rich is talking about the same road I posted above. There is a University on that stretch, and it’s congested, but it isn’t an obvious candidate for 20mph IMO.Maybe it’s the foot traffic from the University that has earnt it a lower speed limit
Drunk students unable to look up from their phones when crossing the road? Changing the enviroment is easier than tacking the problem.
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