[Kapelmuur]

I may have missed it but I’ve not seen this discussed here.

A (non cycling) message board I belong to has been in meltdown, ‘long delays to my journey’, ‘more accidents caused by drivers staring at their speedometers’,  ‘increased pollution caused by slower traffic and car engines being inefficient at 20mph’.

Also many of them signing a protest petition despite non of them being Welsh or living in Wales!

 

Topic

[Steve K]

Interesting polling – more

Interesting polling – more people in Wales support it than are against it.  Even Tory voters are net positive.

Do Welsh voters support or oppose the new 20mph speed limit on roads where cars mix with pedestrians and cyclists? (16-17 September)

Support 46%
Oppose 34% pic.twitter.com/Lgwszqjla3

— Redfield & Wilton Strategies (@RedfieldWilton) September 20, 2023

[David9694]

Simon E wrote:

I had also posted on the Whingeing Entitled Dickhead Drivers topic as I was in Bangor at the weekend. The difference was striking, particulatly when walking and cycling.  [smiley]

TBH the roads in and around the city are so full of traffic, plus a sprinkling of traffic lights, ped crossings and one way streets that you really couldn’t drive far at 30 mph+ during the day.

The moany comments online are all from people who aren’t thinking about anyone else’s safety, only their own convenience.

 
Drivers, then.

Simon E wrote:

Some stats and infographics posted by 20’s Plenty Wales on twitter, including that 298,519 households and 48% of lone parents households in Wales have no car.

In the end all it asks is for those capable of great harm to simply drive a little slower. Is that really so difficult?

It’s about personal power – it has little to do with effective transportation.

[giff77]

Before they completed the

Before they completed the Maybole Bypass the main rd dropped from a 60 to a 20 for the town. They did after a while put in a buffer of 30. Even then people still struggle. You get warning signs from 300 yds out that the limit is changing so the here’s time to mentally prepare as well as start reducing speed. I would always have other drivers practically in my boot anytime I drove down to Cairnryan at that stretch. 

[Simon E]

I had also posted on the

I had also posted on the Whingeing Entitled Dickhead Drivers topic as I was in Bangor at the weekend. The difference was striking, particulatly when walking and cycling.

TBH the roads in and around the city are so full of traffic, plus a sprinkling of traffic lights, ped crossings and one way streets that you really couldn’t drive far at 30 mph+ during the day.

The moany comments online are all from people who aren’t thinking about anyone else’s safety, only their own convenience.

Some stats and infographics posted by 20’s Plenty Wales on twitter, including that 298,519 households and 48% of lone parents households in Wales have no car.

In the end all it asks is for those capable of great harm to simply drive a little slower. Is that really so difficult?

[chrisonabike]

You can put down the

You can put down the Committee in the Scottish parliament that looked at this a while back also.

National speed limit applies (formerly “derestricted”): a sensible and pragmatic measure applying a uniform upper speed limit everywhere.

30mph default in defined areas (e.g. “residential”) which can be varied with TROs: we feel this is a sensible and pragmatic measure which doesn’t hamstring local authorities (with their better knowledge of local conditions).

20mph default in defined areas (e.g. “residential”) which can be varied with TROs: we feel this is an inappropriate (frankly – barmy) one-size-fits-nobody measure.  A blanket arbitrary speed limit?!  This will hamstring local authorities (who are best placed to set limits suitable for local conditions).

[quiff]

Unfortunately it is the

Unfortunately it is the biggest grossing petition ever in Wales. I really hope the Senedd stick to their (speed) guns. 

[Hirsute]

Is that much different from

Is that much different from 60 to 30 with no step?
 

My only problem is my cruise control doesn’t work below 20 and when I tried last week, it was a fail when trying to set it.

[Oldfatgit]

There’s some roads around
There’s some roads around Long Niddry where the 40mph goes to 20mph with no step at 30mph.
It’s brutal … and it really does feel slow.

And then I think how fast the normally (unless gravity assisted) 20mph feels on my bike .. and I wish far more often than I should that I could maintain 20mph on the bike…

[Hirsute]

When I started off from home

When I started off from home the other day, 20 mph seemed reasonably quick but when you go from 30 to 20 it feels slow. Only I doubt it would take that long to get used to it.

It should also be noted that many roads haven’t changed

“This is the route that I drove this morning at 8am. I went through several villages with 20mph limits, I adhered, the approach and exit roads were 30 or 40mph. Parts of the B roads are 60mph. My journey time was 32mins. Before the new limits my journey time was 32mins.”

https://twitter.com/DavidPNoble63/status/1704197389521690994

[David9694]

I’m giving a few mentions on

I’m giving a few mentions on Drivers and their Problems – some of the more outlandish “my world is collapsing” claims by drivers that get in the media.

Schrodingers’s traffic regulation – simultaneously too simple and too complex for drivers to comply with. 

[Author]

Replies