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Head mashed over wheel upgrade!

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  • May 14, 2016 at 9:11 am #25732
    moorsey72

    I apologise now for posting yet anothet wheelset based thread as no doubt everyone is sick to death of them by now.

    However having recently asking for advice on which wheelset to go for i now realise what i really need to know is the real world advantages of certain elements to make an informed choice.

    My criteria is for a carbon trek emonda, good for climbing, fast rolling, aero looks(maybe), good for 50mile+ sportive/club rides, coming in at £250-£400ish with finance available.

    I have several ideas but niggles stopping me press the buy button:
    Cero ar30 – £379 ticks all the boxes but narrow rim width, does this make a harsh ride?
    Compag eurus – £440 looks great but aluminium spokes = harsh ride?
    Zipp30- £420 looks fantastic but seems to be getting average reviews
    Rs81 c35 – love the deeper profile but concerned it lacks zip and climbing ability of others due to extra weight.
    Zonda/fulcrum 3 – under £300 is the lower cost down to inferior hubs or harshness?

    So basically
    Does rim width massively affect comfort?
    Are the hubs vastly different in holding speed and smoothness?
    Is an additional 200/300g going to make a vast difference?

    Ksyium are obvious choice but not overkeen on looks and i have nearly gone for dura ace c24 but potential wrath from the missus has put that one on hold.

    Want to sort it over the weekend so can enjoy them through the summer. I know im making a meal of it but think i have over thought it all so now hit a wall, im 14 stone in the wrong places so im more than aware that they dont make yellow jerseys in my size! Just want some wheels that look cool and feel great.
    If anyone is still reading then please feel free to offer any much needed advice. Cheers

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  • May 16, 2016 at 2:58 pm #871761
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    Simon E

    Don’t buy deeper rims if you

    Don’t buy deeper rims if you want lighter weight.

    I’d get RS81 C24 – as suggested in last month’s instalment of the never-ending Wheel Upgrade debate.

    If you’re keen to try tubeless then go for the (cheaper) Ultegra 6800 wheelset:

    http://road.cc/content/review/126799-shimano-wh-6800-ultegra-wheels

    And to answer your other question: no, you won’t notice the extra weight.

    May 16, 2016 at 12:47 pm #871759
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    MoutonDeMontagne

    In fairness, I wouldn’t be

    In fairness, I wouldn’t be that bothered by the difference in section between the C24 and C35. I’ve just replaced my RS81 C24’s for a set of Bora 35s, and the Aero difference isn’t really noticable, and will make much less difference than the extra weight under acceleration.

    With regards your width question, Its hard to say. My new wheels are 25mm wide edge to edge and 19 internal, they’re not quite as comfy as the Hedd Ardennes I’ve test riden, yet they allowed 70psi in the tyres, where as my corsa g+ need a bit more due to the soft side wall. They’re both more comfy than my old c24’s though, using 25mm GP4000s.

    The RS81’s in either C24 or C35 are both good wheelsets, but I foudn my C24’s wore out quickly (6000km) if you use them through the winter, and they’re not that stiff. I’m 12 stone and the flexed under acceleration/climbing out the saddle. 

    Based on the hubs of my Bora’s, if you can find a set of Fulcrum racing Zeros (Normal, not the nite version) with a discount, they should come in around your upper price range. The USB bearings are so silky smooth, the bike will just glide along. They’re also light and well built and ceramic should prove durable and problem free for many miles. 

    Enjoiy whichever upgrade you chose, I’ve been amazed at the difference wheels can make to a bike. And for that reason, keep youre eye out for a bombproof set of cheap wheels to thrash when its winter and everything is covered in grit/mud! 

    May 16, 2016 at 11:27 am #871757
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    Jack Osbourne snr

    She’s wearing a pair of box
    She’s wearing a pair of box rim 32 Spoke handbuilts now.
    They look every bit as good, but I can feel the weight difference on the hills round my way. The Braccianos are undoubtedly better climbing wheels. The rear drive side spokes are tied together which improves rigidity (the old skool method was to solder them) so the weight difference stands out.

    May 16, 2016 at 10:24 am #871755
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    moorsey72

    Jack Osbourne snr wrote:

    Jack Osbourne snr wrote:
    Prolite Bracciano A27 in silver temporarily borrowed from my Ti Audax bike to take this baby for its first run after reincarnation. They also come in black with white decals.

    BRAVO, great looking bike and the wheels really set it off. Love a bit of classic steel, very envious.

    May 15, 2016 at 7:02 pm #871753
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    Jack Osbourne snr

    Prolite Bracciano A27 in
    Prolite Bracciano A27 in silver temporarily borrowed from my Ti Audax bike to take this baby for its first run after reincarnation. They also come in black with white decals.

    May 15, 2016 at 6:19 pm #871751
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    moorsey72

    Jack Osbourne snr wrote:

    Jack Osbourne snr wrote:
    moorsey72 wrote:
    Fantastic comments, thanks all. I must say its helping to clear the mist. Fulcrums are looking favourite at the mo, with the rs81 c35 refusing to fall by the weyside. With jack osborne jnr managing to muddy the waters with the re-imergence of the pro-lites!
    I have the original and A27 (identical) versions. The hubs are great with my original pair having done a zillion all weather miles on the original bearings. The A42 are heavier but will be stiffer, great for blatting along on flat or rolling terrain, but there will be a slight disadvantage when going upwards. As a general point on weights – When it comes to rotational masses, 300g of a difference is much more likely to be noticeable than 300g off your waistline. However, its much, much cheaper to lose multiples if 300g of flab than weight from the wheels. Losing 300g off the frame is the most costly/least effective approach.

     

    I’d better put that pint of guinness down then! I know youre quite correct in what youre saying but even fat lads look better with cool wheels right? Ill take a look at the A27s, have read great things about the pro-lite hubs, thanks again for the feedback

     

    May 15, 2016 at 3:04 pm #871749
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    Jack Osbourne snr

    moorsey72 wrote:

    moorsey72 wrote:
    Fantastic comments, thanks all. I must say its helping to clear the mist. Fulcrums are looking favourite at the mo, with the rs81 c35 refusing to fall by the weyside. With jack osborne jnr managing to muddy the waters with the re-imergence of the pro-lites!

    I have the original and A27 (identical) versions. The hubs are great with my original pair having done a zillion all weather miles on the original bearings. The A42 are heavier but will be stiffer, great for blatting along on flat or rolling terrain, but there will be a slight disadvantage when going upwards.

    As a general point on weights – When it comes to rotational masses, 300g of a difference is much more likely to be noticeable than 300g off your waistline. However, its much, much cheaper to lose multiples if 300g of flab than weight from the wheels. Losing 300g off the frame is the most costly/least effective approach.

    May 15, 2016 at 11:26 am #871747
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    moorsey72

    Fantastic comments, thanks
    Fantastic comments, thanks all. I must say its helping to clear the mist. Fulcrums are looking favourite at the mo, with the rs81 c35 refusing to fall by the weyside. With jack osborne jnr managing to muddy the waters with the re-imergence of the pro-lites!

    May 15, 2016 at 11:17 am #871745
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    moorsey72

    Jack Osbourne snr wrote:

    Jack Osbourne snr wrote:
    If you do a lot of actual climbing the a lighter wheelset will feel better… You do however need to make sure they are laterally stiff, as there’s no benefit in light wheels if the rims rub whenever you go upwards.

    I’ll now roll out my usual recommendation of Pro Lite Braccianos. I’m about your weight, but more muscle than podge. I have two pairs of Braccianos and I love them.

    From your list, I’d go with Campag/Fulcrum

    Rim width can affect comfort as it allows larger tyres and makes narrower tyres feel a bit comfier… But it’s a marginal rather than massive factor in on-bike comfort

    Thanks Jack, do you have the A42? They were my original choice but discounted them as concerned they would be a hinderance climbing wise

    May 15, 2016 at 8:58 am #871743
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    AKH

    Buy whichever wheels make you

    Buy whichever wheels make you want to ride the bike more. Being happy with your bike is more important than marginal gains if you’re not racing.

     

    I’ve recently switched to wheels with an internal width of 17mm. Compared to my old wheels which where 15mm internal width, I can measure that my 25mm tyres now come up 1-2mm wider, but I can’t say I’ve noticed an improvement in comfort.

     

    There shouldn’t be an enormous performance difference between any two hubs, providing they are in good working order. Any properly serviced hub shouldn’t consume more than about a watt of your total power; the difference between cheap hubs and expensive hubs is how well made they are, how long the bearings will last, and how serviceable they are, not how fast you will go.

     

    If you weigh 88kg, saving 300g off the wheels is reducing the total weight you’re trying to raise up against gravity by less than 0.3% (that’s before even factoring in the weight of the rest of the bike). By far the most dominant factor in climbing is the body weight of the rider vs gravity. A 0.3% weight saving will have a similarly small impact on you speed when climbing.

    May 15, 2016 at 6:35 am #871741
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    Podc

    I have the Cero AR30 and

    I have the Cero AR30 and Fulcrum Racing 3 wheel sets, and prefer the Fulcrums. Couldn’t tell you why but they just feel like they roll and ride nicer. I thought it might be tyres and so switched to 25s on both but the Fulcrums still felt better. 

     

    I used the AR30s over winter and had no problems so build seems good. Fulcrums went on when the temperatures went up.

    May 14, 2016 at 11:09 pm #871739
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    Anthony.C

    Take the ceros and zipps  

    Take the ceros and zipps  (discontinued anyway) off the list, add RS 81 c24 if you are worried about the weight of the 35s,  add Kysirium Elites, then it’s a decent list to start with. 

    May 14, 2016 at 10:26 pm #871737
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    Jack Osbourne snr

    If you do a lot of actual
    If you do a lot of actual climbing the a lighter wheelset will feel better… You do however need to make sure they are laterally stiff, as there’s no benefit in light wheels if the rims rub whenever you go upwards.

    I’ll now roll out my usual recommendation of Pro Lite Braccianos. I’m about your weight, but more muscle than podge. I have two pairs of Braccianos and I love them.

    From your list, I’d go with Campag/Fulcrum

    Rim width can affect comfort as it allows larger tyres and makes narrower tyres feel a bit comfier… But it’s a marginal rather than massive factor in on-bike comfort

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