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  • July 30, 2014 at 4:02 am #806319
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    arfa

    Years ago my folks had an
    Years ago my folks had an arthritic dog. They would give him acupuncture and he’d move fine after treatment so I don’t know how that would qualify as a placebo effect.
    I don’t know about chiro but some of the alternative therapies can be incredible. A few years ago I had a bad skiing smash leaving me with a spine out of kilter and unable to walk due to muscle spasm. The NHS gave me 2 months of valium and cocodamol and wished me luck. The next day I went for 30 minutes of Bowen therapy and walked out of the clinic and binned the pills. There’s more to unconventional medicine in my opinion.

    July 29, 2014 at 4:41 pm #806317
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    Al__S

    notfastenough wrote:I don’t

    notfastenough wrote:
    I don’t have a particular side to take with acupuncture, but classing a chiropractor as quackery? Correct me if I’m wrong, but that and osteopaths just seem like alternatives to physio to me.

    Physio is based on a good understanding of how the human body works*. Chiro is based on a crackpot concept that everything that ails you (not just back pains- we’re talking asthma, viruses, bacterial infections, diabetes, even cancers!) can be cured by spinal manipulation to get rid of “subluxations”. Osteopathy is chiro that’s a little bit quieter about the whole “subluxation” thing.

    *not perfect by any means, of course.

    July 29, 2014 at 3:30 pm #806315
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    faceplant

    Both chiropracty and
    Both chiropracty and osteopathy are largely bunk. Their perceived effect is likely largely placebo.

    From wikipedia, with some discussion and references: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic_controversy_and_criticism#Efficacy] Vertebral subluxation, the core concept of chiropractic, is not based on solid science. A 2008 review found that with the possible exception of back pain, chiropractic manipulation has not been shown to be effective for any medical condition[/url]
    and
    [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathy#Effectiveness]In general, the results of randomized, controlled clinical trials have not proven osteopathy to be an effective therapy. Reviews of scientific literature produce little evidence that osteopathic manipulation is effective for the treatment of musculoskeletal pain,[26] or for pediatric conditions.[/url]

    July 29, 2014 at 3:24 pm #806313
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    Flying Scot

    A good friend is a proper
    A good friend is a proper physio, as far as he is concerned, chiro is quackery, he works training champions league football physio’s.

    Basically they work around the issues you have without solving the underlying problem potentially landing you with a different issue years down the line.

    He also works part toe in the NHS and is very critical of some of the physio delivered there, as often notes, scans etc. from the consultant aren’t shared fully with the physio and the treatment is a waste of time.

    July 29, 2014 at 3:24 pm #806311
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    Chris James

    notfastenough wrote: I also

    notfastenough wrote:
    I also wonder about whether this contravenes the no-needles policy – suppose it depends on whether you side with the letter or the spirit of the law…

    Or if you are looking for an excuse to explain why your riders look like pin cushions….

    July 29, 2014 at 3:16 pm #806309
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    notfastenough

    I don’t have a particular
    I don’t have a particular side to take with acupuncture, but classing a chiropractor as quackery? Correct me if I’m wrong, but that and osteopaths just seem like alternatives to physio to me.

    Like arriere… I also wonder about whether this contravenes the no-needles policy – suppose it depends on whether you side with the letter or the spirit of the law…

    July 29, 2014 at 2:46 pm #806307
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    Markus

    +1 for the chiro being
    +1 for the chiro being useful.
    Actually, the guy who I go to see if I’ve had a bad fall or such is not a chiropractor, he’s been trained a bit differently. But he results are very good. Partially dislocated shoulder, twisted hips, fractured and misaligned ribs – fixed. M.D.s (at least the one I’ve dealt with over here) are clueless when it comes to things like this.

    As far as acupuncture goes, some people say it has helped them, others don’t. If it works, great, if it doesn’t, well there are not any side effects, so no harm done.

    July 29, 2014 at 2:31 pm #806305
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    arrieredupeleton

    Serious question: The UCI had
    Serious question: The UCI had a no needle policy. Would this still be allowed as there’s no ingestion of anything?

    Less serious question: Are Astana’s needles hollow and have vials/blood bags attached?

    July 29, 2014 at 2:10 pm #806303
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    Shades

    Al__S wrote:It’s quackery,

    Al__S wrote:
    It’s quackery, pure and simple. Even supposedly “scientific” Garmin-Sharp employ a chiropractor. So much quackery and magical thinking going on.

    Many years ago I suffered dreadfully with a slipped disc. The medics solution of physio and mind blowing painkillers didn’t do much, but a Chiropractor sorted me out. I still go 3 times a year for ‘maintenance’. On one of my recent visits I had a stiff neck that just wouldn’t go away. Chiro sorted it out. Works for some.

    July 29, 2014 at 1:36 pm #806301
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    farrell

    Al__S wrote:It’s quackery,

    Al__S wrote:
    It’s quackery, pure and simple. Even supposedly “scientific” Garmin-Sharp employ a chiropractor. So much quackery and magical thinking going on.

    Having used acupuncture and been treated by the NHS with it in the past I’d strongly disagree with calling acupuncture “quackery”.

    I am more willing to be proved wrong and hold my hands up to it just being a placebo effect if you can point me in the direction of such evidence?

    July 29, 2014 at 1:36 pm #806299
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    afternoon

    A study from 2009 found that
    A study from 2009 found that acupuncture can be very effective for back pain. Since back pain is a common complaint for cyclists, this makes a lot of sense.

    July 29, 2014 at 11:37 am #806297
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    Beatnik69

    Probably the only time
    Probably the only time they’re happy to get ‘punctured while on Tour. đŸ™‚

    July 29, 2014 at 11:05 am #806295
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    Al__S

    It’s quackery, pure and
    It’s quackery, pure and simple. Even supposedly “scientific” Garmin-Sharp employ a chiropractor. So much quackery and magical thinking going on.

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