[ianrobo]

Mail on Sunday today has gone big on the TVM scandal of late 1990’s and Sky’s current sports director’s involvement in it, the evidence seems clear. So why is Brailsford denying it ?

http://mobile.nytimes.com/reuters/2015/03/08/sports/cycling/08reuters-cycling-doping-sky.html

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[700c]

@Ianrobo
Your thread may have
@Ianrobo
Your thread may have been ostensibly about Knaven and Sky not adhering to their policies, but you’ve since used it to infer repeatedly that sky are doping in the comments that followed. The following quote is more of a direct accusation that sky are currently not riding clean, than an inference..

ianrobo wrote:

At least we know Vino doped so Astana don;t bother with lies like they are a totally clean team which Sky try to, when it is bollocks.

[Kapelmuur]

Funny how quiet this thread
Funny how quiet this thread went after Sky failed to win a Monument.

[fukawitribe]

ianrobo wrote:fukawitribe

ianrobo wrote:

fukawitribe wrote:

alansmurphy wrote:

I grew up in the 70’s, does this mean I was touched by members of the BBC?

The post hoc ergo propter hoc on here is laughable – I assume that simply by winning a race you are now a cheat?

Actually, according to a couple on here at least, yes… or indeed anyone in the top 20%. The mind boggles….

Depends what era you are talking about ?

I am sure that Cav is clean for example and he has won stages ….

However go back to 95-2010 I can not be confident of many at all, can you ?

The present day, according to the people I was alluding to. In every endurance sport in the opinion of one of them.

[daddyELVIS]

CXR94Di2 wrote:daddyELVIS

CXR94Di2 wrote:

daddyELVIS wrote:

Check the actual TVM trial – then explain how you conclude Knaven didn’t dope!

I dont have to explain/conclude, there is no evidence that has come to light indicating prior actions have a bearing on sky’s actions currently. Some are trying link actions of 1990s to chris froome performance and coming up with perilously close to accusations of doping and a slur on his good name/character. Beware

Not all – arguing that it is difficult to trust Sky when they state one thing and do another! They started out with a stated recruitment policy of not employing anybody with past links to doping to illustrate their commitment to being a clean and transparent team! Now, you tell me if they’ve really tried to stick by the principle.

[Simon E]

CXR94Di2 wrote:Put up your

CXR94Di2 wrote:

Put up your evidence in written form,

I’ll send a link to sky cycling asking them to review these comments and see if they feel they are libellous.

There is no evidence, he’s just grinding an axe in public. It’s a bit pathetic really, I wouldn’t waste time feeding the troll.

[ianrobo]

fukawitribe wrote:alansmurphy

fukawitribe wrote:

alansmurphy wrote:

I grew up in the 70’s, does this mean I was touched by members of the BBC?

The post hoc ergo propter hoc on here is laughable – I assume that simply by winning a race you are now a cheat?

Actually, according to a couple on here at least, yes… or indeed anyone in the top 20%. The mind boggles….

Depends what era you are talking about ?

I am sure that Cav is clean for example and he has won stages ….

However go back to 95-2010 I can not be confident of many at all, can you ?

[ianrobo]

daddyELVIS wrote:Check the

daddyELVIS wrote:

Check the actual TVM trial – then explain how you conclude Knaven didn’t dope!

Some are just blind …

[fukawitribe]

alansmurphy wrote:I grew up

alansmurphy wrote:

I grew up in the 70’s, does this mean I was touched by members of the BBC?

The post hoc ergo propter hoc on here is laughable – I assume that simply by winning a race you are now a cheat?

Actually, according to a couple on here at least, yes… or indeed anyone in the top 20%. The mind boggles….

[Iamnot Wiggins]

Doping will never fix Chris
Doping will never fix Chris Froome looking awful on a bike.

[CXR94Di2]

daddyELVIS wrote:Check the

daddyELVIS wrote:

Check the actual TVM trial – then explain how you conclude Knaven didn’t dope!

I dont have to explain/conclude, there is no evidence that has come to light indicating prior actions have a bearing on sky’s actions currently. Some are trying link actions of 1990s to chris froome performance and coming up with perilously close to accusations of doping and a slur on his good name/character. Beware

[alansmurphy]

I grew up in the 70’s, does
I grew up in the 70’s, does this mean I was touched by members of the BBC?

The post hoc ergo propter hoc on here is laughable – I assume that simply by winning a race you are now a cheat?

[daddyELVIS]

Check the actual TVM trial –
Check the actual TVM trial – then explain how you conclude Knaven didn’t dope!

[CXR94Di2]

Put up your evidence in
Put up your evidence in written form,

I’ll send a link to sky cycling asking them to review these comments and see if they feel they are libellous.

I can assure you having a high court writ served against you is not a pleasant experience. Defending your self, even when you’re innocent is very stressful.

[Martyn_K]

Cheers CXR94Di2, another
Cheers CXR94Di2, another voice of reason here.

Working on the logic of some i have been a gun toting, alcoholic criminal. I grew up a in quite a rough area of town. Many of my school time peers were involved with criminal activities. Some have been convicted of gun crimes and substance abuse. I have never been down that road, but obviously because i knew them, grew up with them, went to school with them and lived around them i must be guilty. Send me to the gallows!

Back to the OP. The basic premise that Sky can’t be trusted and their performances must be due to doping.

I say again. There is no proof during this time of increased testing that any riders are on the juice. Time to put it to bed as it is boring now.

[ianrobo]

700c wrote:
Remain cynical,

700c wrote:

Remain cynical, sure, that’s your right, but until there is proof of guilt people really shouldn’t accuse team Sky, or others, of doping.

This is about Knaven as a rider in the late 90’s and his position now. Rims was kicked out for being a doper (finally), Vino is ridiculed as a DS, a certain ex Lance DS is desperate to be back in and can not, why not Knaven ?

do you believe he was clean ?

As for now the title of this thread says it all

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