A cyclist has been fined £300 for causing a collision with a motorcyclist at the top of Winnats Pass in August.
Chesterfield magistrates’ court heard that Eleanor Kelly did a U-turn at the top of the steep Peak District climb and in so doing caused a collision that resulted in injuries to a motorcyclist.
The Derbyshire Times reports that Kelly said she checked before making the manoeuvre but must have misjudged the speed of the motorcycle.
She pleaded guilty to riding a bicycle without due care and attention and was fined £185 and ordered to pay £85 costs and a £30 victim surcharge.
Earlier this month we reported on the inquest into the death of August Atkinson who died after crashing while descending Winnats Pass in 2014.
Her mother, Elizabeth Barber-Atkinson, says she may challenge the verdict, arguing that police evidence didn’t satisfactorily answer what may have gone wrong on her daughter’s bike.
Atkinson is said to have screamed “my brakes have gone” shortly before hitting a drystone wall, but police found ‘no significant issues’.
48 thoughts on “Cyclist fined for crash after doing U-turn at the top of Winnats Pass”
Compulsory hi-viz for
Compulsory hi-viz for motorcyclists!
Yorkshire wallet wrote:
Yes, and they should have their own dedicated motorcycle lanes and be forced to use them.
I sold my bike with Ultegra
I sold my bike with Ultegra calliper brakes as they were terrible in the wet on fast descents. Hydraulic disc brakes are like night and day in comparison, excellent braking in all conditions. I suspect callipers tested in the dry confines of the police station may well appear ok, put them on a wet descent and the story will be much different.
Thelma Viaduct wrote:
Sounds like a set-up/pads issue – I’ve never had any problem with my 105/Ultegra callipers, including down some pretty big descents in the wet in the Alps.
I generally consider you will run out of grip on the road long before you run out of brakes.
And that comes after many, many years of hydraulic disc brakes on my mountain bike.
Thelma Viaduct wrote:
Perhaps you should read the article which you are commenting under. This has nothing to do with brakes and the case of the lady who died a few years back was merely commented on because of the location.
DrG82 wrote:
Perhaps you should read the article which you are commenting under. This has nothing to do with brakes and the case of the lady who died a few years back was merely commented on because of the location.— Thelma Viaduct
No, perhaps you should better understand which person/incident I am referring to.
Thelma Viaduct wrote:
Perhaps you should read the article which you are commenting under. This has nothing to do with brakes and the case of the lady who died a few years back was merely commented on because of the location.
— DrG82 No, perhaps you should better understand which person/incident I am referring to.— Thelma Viaduct
Read the headline.
“Cyclist fined for crash after doing U-turn at the top of Winnats Pass”
What does it say?
Nope, still nothing about brakes.
If you want to comment about the lady who died when her brakes may or may not have failed then do so under the article
http://road.cc/content/news/232524-cyclist-screamed-%E2%80%9Cmy-brakes-have-gone%E2%80%9D-crash-killed-her-inquest-told
But you’ll probably want to read all the comments already made because pretty much every possible scenario has already been hammered out and it’s all pretty old having people blathering on about caliper brakes being lethal and disc brakes being the only solution, despite the fact that in some of the articles related to the story the bike in question did have disc brakes. Making your comment about caliper brakes being the cause of this lady’s unfortunate accident totally redundant
Thelma Viaduct wrote:
Disc brakes are amazing aren’t they! I spent 30 odd years of road cycling hurtling off cliffs and having head on collisions will all manner of walls/vehicles/livestock. I was never out of A&E. They even named a ward after me. Thankfully now that I’ve got a bike with discs I’ve given the NHS a well needed break (excuse the pun). Best cycling innovation ever!
God bless disc brakes and all who modulate with them!
alan loves froome wrote:
Post of the week
!
Thelma Viaduct wrote:
Who said it was wet ?
Who said she was on calipers ?
Personally I’ve been using calipers for 35 years plus now and haven’t had any issues. I’m in no rush to change to discs. Yours must have been a set up problem ?
Couldn’t she say the sun was
Couldn’t she say the sun was in her eyes?
Confusing having two stories
Confusing having two stories in one here, one new and one old.
Presumably this will mean
Presumably this will mean that London Taxis who do sudden u-turns and cause cyclists to hit them will also be punished.
Yeah, kidding.
SteppenHerring wrote:
Black cabs are a law into themselves.
Only by hitting them in the pocket e.g. Uber do they change.
Disc brakes are better than
Disc brakes are better than rim brakes as long as they are hydraulic. They are also nicer to use and easier for small hands, and require less force to apply. Cyclists doing u turns that cause crashes should be punished. Badly behaved cyclists are a problem for everyone, and it is easy to see the bad attitudes displayed by the ‘Yorkshireman’ who post on here.
Atkinson is said to have
Atkinson is said to have screamed “my brakes have gone” shortly before hitting a drystone wall, but police found ‘no significant issues’.
Muslim man shouting “Allahu akbar” drives vehicle through crowded pedestrian area in Melbourne, but police say incident ‘was not terrorism-related’.
Valbrona wrote:
Can’t keep your racism down, can you? Why don’t you fuck off?
don simon wrote:
It doesn’t surprise me that someone who can’t string a couple of sentences together without using either the f-word or c-word thinks that Islam is a race.
Have you never met an African or an Oriental or a European Muslim?
Take your hateful accusations of racism somewhere else, you nasty piece of work.
Valbrona wrote:
Why don’t you take your Islamaphobia and fuck off! Eh?
don simon wrote:
Racialism is one of several (((Cultural Marxist))) weapons-grade BS specifically to undermine European race homogenity in mediocrity and confusion, which (((they))) can increasingly rule from the shadows.
Some people are just not intelligent/informed enough to aprehend that all (((Cultural Marxism))) as destructive BS, including Racialism and Feminism.
urbane wrote:
Kindly take your views and excessive and incorrect use of the parenthesis to some alt-right website so that we can get back to cycling related matters. Thankyou.
urbane wrote:
With your (((((((good))))))) self obviously being the examplar of mediocrity and confusion!
urbane wrote:
((((Yawn))))
Q: What do NAZIs get for Christmas?
A: Nothing. They’re sad gits and no one loves them.
Re Tony Farrelly. I only read this website (with my 8 year old daughter) because we find new curse words to shout at drivers on the way to school. Best cycling site on the web!
Merry Christmas!
urbane wrote:
Can I have some of what you’re taking, please?
Valbrona wrote:
Given your pedantic nature – let’s settle for “Islamphobic thick cunt” instead.
Valbrona wrote:
I don’t need two sentences to call you a hateful fucking cunt!
Valbrona wrote:
Valbrona, you have my sincerest apologies for calling you a racist. You crack on shoehorning your fear and hatred into posts. It marks you out as exactly the same as the terrorists that you should be identifying as the bad uns, you don’t have the brains to recognise that Muslims are not the bad guys, it’s terrorists and they come in all sorts of colours, nationalities, religions and races. By trying to turn everything into Muslim bashing makes you no better than the terrorists, indescriminate in you hatred towards everyone of a certain religion.
I image you hate the Welsh for Meibion Glyndwr, the Irish for the IRA, or is it the UDA, the Spanish for ETA, Germans for Baader Meinhof, etc, etc.
You stop posting you’re hatred and I’ll stop calling you out for being a racist. How does that sound? I don’t believe in banning you as not only do we have free speech, but people need to see you for what you are.
Merry Christmas.
Eid milad saeid
Nadolig Llawen
Felices Fiestas
don simon wrote:
You do realise Islam isn’t a race?
mwaterfield wrote:
You do realise that “black” isn’t a race? You do realise that “white” isn’t a race?
Racism can be a discrimination on others based on culture as well as outward appearance, see link:
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8591660
Hate is hate, whatever you call it.
Surely she could have used th
Surely she could have used th motorist’s standard “I was momentarily distracted” excuse (perhaps there was a low-flying bird-of-prey or something…) If I recall correctly, a driver with 2 illegal tires took out a clubrun and killed 6 people a few years back and was fined less (on the grounds he hit ice on the bend so the tires would have made no difference). Seems like two-track justice again.
Article doesn’t mention what evidence was entered regarding the speed of the motorcyclist who must surely have seen the cyclist and been driving at a speed which allowed them to avoid the collision? I’m all for all road users being accountable for their actions but not completely convinced by this outcome on the available information.
Nigel_2003 wrote:
And what speed do you think would have been appropriate for the motorcyclist in this instance? Sorry, but the cyclist has a responsibility to look properly before making a u turn.
OldRidgeback wrote:
duplicate.
don simon wrote:
Excuse me conributors but my
Excuse me conributors but my 10 yr old child has just read your comments on a site that is of interest to a cycling fan. I would be grateful if you could moderate your own language to that appropriate to a public site, can’t find a button to report to a moderator.
Many thanks from a parent who will have to explain to a child that they are not allowed to read a hobby web site due to immature adults who have to use inappropriate words.
Turnernoir wrote:
But you’re quite happy for him to read the hate that Valbrona is comfortable writing? Strange one that.
don simon wrote:
+1
I find it easier to explain unpleasant language than hatred of other humans based on prejudice…
To Mr Turner’s child, I shouldn’t have used naughty words, they are not nice. I was angry as someone without an ounce of the intelligence, that I’m sure you already have, has such a disgusting view of the World. I am pretty sure you will go to school with people who have a different skin colour, who were born in another country and some with a big nose or curly hair. If the curly haired child is mean, it doesn’t make all curly haired people mean. If you fear curly haired people based on this one person you may miss out on a potential life long friend, if you tell others that curly haired people are bad you will spread hate and fear. Oh and always wear a helmet and hi viz…
Nothing wrong with being
Nothing wrong with being afraid of religious zealots. It’s not like history isn’t full to the brim with deaths in its name. I just don’t understand how you’d believe any of it once you don’t believe in Santa anymore (sorry 10 year old, if you haven’t figured it out yet)
All religions are shit and Islam is very shit.
Yorkshire wallet wrote:
Most religions are based on peace, it is the zealots who twist them to suit their purposes and bastardise the context of the religious teachings to fuel hatred.
Grahamd wrote:
The Abrahamic faiths don’t have the best start.
Old Testament God is like Victorian Dad having a sugar tantrum.
Yorkshire wallet wrote:
Santa is REAL (and 2018 will herald in improved infrastructure for cycling and courteous behaviour between all road users). Now back to the port and mince pies.
Peace , Salaam, Shalom, etc.
CygnusX1 wrote:
Graph, please, or I will YAWN*.
*I shouldn’t have put Baileys on my Frosties.
davel wrote:
Have a (((mince))) pie chart…
Hi all,
Hi all,
Well when I say ‘all’ I’m really meaning Alan, Ian, and Don – just thought I’d flag up the fact that personal abuse – whether you think it’s justified or not – is against road.cc’s T&Cs + it’s not very nice to be on the receiving end of, and it’s awkward to explain to your kids.
Yes, I know explaining awkward stuff is a key part of the job description for being a parent, but there’s plenty of awkwardness already in the world to be explained without you chaps adding to it – especially when you could have made your points just as forcefully without the effing and jeffing.
It’s Christmas so maybe a bit more peace and goodwill to all men? Or if you can’t manage that disagreeing in language that won’t have to be explained by other road.cc users to their kids and won’t put them off coming here.
Tony Farrelly wrote:
But the racism can stay?
Tony, the c word is certainly
Tony, the c word is certainly beyond polite conversation, I appreciate that.
However, if you’re worried about people being put off your website if suggest looking at the cause for multiple posters reacting in the same way. Of Valbrona’s 250 posts around 200 have contained racist content, he’s used the word Muslim more often than bike!
The fact that you pick up on poor language rather than racist, xenophobic, hateful content is frankly pretty disgusting. I feel this (your reaction as well as the content) reflect worse upon your site than the effing and jeffin!
alansmurphy wrote:
+1 for this. Tony, I’m really disappointed with your response to this. Fair enough to ask for the language to be toned down, of course, but are you implying that Valbrona’s views are acceptable? If so, regretfully I’ll have to find another primary cycling news source.
And a graph. The datasets
And a graph. The datasets don’t match, but I can see a correlation that proves my point without me explicitly claiming causation and if you can’t see it, you’re interpreting it incorrectly and will be on Santa’s Naughty List.
CygnusX1 wrote:
:))
No arguing with that.