The UCI reintroduced its trial of disc brakes this year and strong feelings remain. Nairo Quintana is the latest to have his say, telling Cycling News that he believes they are heavier, less aerodynamic and dangerous.
The disc brake trial was previously suspended following 2016’s Paris-Roubaix, where Movistar rider Fran Ventoso blamed one for a deep cut to his leg sustained during a crash.
“Our bike brand has disc bikes available but in my opinion we shouldn’t be using disc brakes,” said Quintana. “Firstly, because they don’t actually brake all that well. You hear other riders’ bikes in the peloton when the brake rubs up against the rotor. That’s one thing. Secondly, it makes the bike less aerodynamic. Thirdly, they’re much heavier.
“Lastly, there’s the danger they pose in a peloton of more than 100 riders. They are good for a touring cyclist, or a person who goes out riding with two or three others and is more careful, but racing is another matter.”
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As a Movistar rider, Quintana rides Canyon bikes. According to our tech editor, David Arthur, the firm concedes that disc brake versions of its bikes are fractionally less aerodynamic.
“Canyon, when it unveiled its complete range of disc-equipped bikes recently, made the statement that the disc brakes give away just 1.5 per cent compared to the rim brake versions, when tested at the power required to maintain 45kph.
“As for weight, Canyon says its disc frames are about 70g heavier, but by the time you add disc calipers and rotors we’re seeing complete bikes come in about 400g heavier than similarly specced disc brake versions.
“For a professional cyclist obsessed by marginal gains, those differences are hard to ignore. Canyon does point out that the advantages of improved braking control and modulation are significant benefits of disc brakes, and that’s backed up by our own testing. But clearly the demands and requirements of a professional racing cyclist are different to non-racing cyclists.”
As a climber, weight will doubtless be a higher priority for Quintana than many other riders. However, it’s worth pointing out that team mechanics are frequently obliged to add weight to bikes to bring them up to the UCI’s 6.8kg minimum weight requirement.
We reviewed a 6.5kg version of the Ultimate CF SLX that the Colombian will be riding this year, so 400g on top of that could theoretically see Quintana cede 100g to his rivals. The professional cyclists’ association, the CPA, is also pushing for further protective features such as covers to be introduced – which would bring a little more weight. However, we’re inclined to say that 100g or so could easily be offset elsewhere.
Last week, Team Sky’s Owain Doull claimed that the rotor on Marcel Kittel’s bike had cut through his shoe “like a knife”. Overhead footage of the crash suggested there was no contact between Doull and Kittel’s bike, but the German chose not to ride with disc brakes the following day, “out of respect for colleagues.”
Disc brakes are now required to have rounded edges to reduce the risk of injury, but the CPA has said that most of its members remain opposed to the technology in its current form – hence the suggestion that covers be introduced.
As much as anything, it seems that Quintana is simply happy with what he’s already got. “There is no problem with the brakes that we currently have – they work very well. No one has ever had any sort of complaint. They’re lighter, and you have a much better feel.”

39 thoughts on “Nairo Quintana says peloton “shouldn’t be using disc brakes””
He’s getting paid by campag
He’s getting paid by campag to say that, and might piss off canyon seeing as they’ve gone all in on road disc brakes.
ashliejay wrote:
But, but the manufacturers and TVs Ads made me buy a disk bike and now the pros who know cycling like no-one else don’t like it
Tom Boonen – who is retiring this year (so has less interest in the long term sport) sponsored by Specialized, a mega corporation pushing disks is ok right?
Use your brain.
It would be nice if some of
It would be nice if some of the pros actually provided some/any proof that they’re dangerous rather than every cut being caused by something that everyone else seems to struggle to replicate.
But hey, this is 2017. People can just say stuff and choose their own truth.
It’s also odd in a world of “marginal gains” do riders often seem to ignore what science says and carry on with their older ways.
robthehungrymonkey wrote:
Velonews have done this, twice
http://www.velonews.com/2017/02/video/video-what-will-discs-cut-the-raw-meat-episode_431228
grahamTDF wrote:
Kind of. But I thinka glancing blow is all that you’ll get in a crash with a rotor that’s only spinning very briefly (i’d be much more worried about fingers in spokes if wheels were continually spinning in a crash). The pros are also using rotors that have rounded edges unlike the test (i think).
The heat is a non-issue too IMO, as the heat will only build up after a long decent, and there are very few crashes then. It’s probably much more of a concern in a world cup XC race.
What the pros race doesn’t matter to me, but when the UCI suspended discs last year, they were also banned in european sportives too which is a bit harsh on normal people.
I’ve just about had enough of
I’ve just about had enough of this now.
Let the pros ride whatever they want (or anyone else for that matter) – I’m sticking with my discs.
joules1975 wrote:
I’m the same, but for those that race, I can see that what the UCI decides is important to them.
I think it’s a load of nonsense covering up straightforward traditionalism.
The weight is a non-issue as all the bikes weigh in at the UCI limit, and the safety thing seems to be one groundless scare story after another.
It would be good if road.cc or someone else could get hold of a pair of shoes identical to those in the latest claim of disc-slicing, and try pushing them onto a disc rotor spinning at the relevant speed, video it and show us what happens!
I’m with joules on this …..
I’m with joules on this ……
“Firstly, because they don’t
“Firstly, because they don’t actually brake all that well.
Lolz to that, hydros are amazing, constant uniform feel and power.
Secondly, it makes the bike less aerodynamic.
Didn’t Cannondale prove that it was negligible? Obviously not exact science but interesting results regardless http://www.slowtwitch.com/Tech/Disc_and_Rim_Brake_Aero_Drag_6073.html
Thirdly, they’re much heavier.
Considering half the teams are filling chainset axles with lead to get by the UCI regs, I’d say it’s a non-issue. Surely a climber would appreciate the potential of lighter disc specific rims, rotating mass etc.
Anyway, I think the pros should be able to choose whatever they want to use, the only people it will effect will be the people responsible for the spare parts inventories.
Broady. wrote:
I beleive he’s referring to brake squeal, maybe lost a little in translation. Even worse in the wet with discs, although it doesn’t affect the performance much.
Aerodynamics, did you read the quote from Canyon?
Again read the article, it would push his current set up over the weight limit, albeit not by much.
Someone will make a 6.8kg
Someone will make a 6.8kg aero, disc brake road bike shortly and that’ll be the end of it.
Amazing really, how little
Amazing really, how little Quintana knows about bike racing, and how much more everyone on road.cc knows than him!
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Grizzerly wrote:
Totally agree, but wait till the “disc brake week end warrior gringo mafia” get a hold of him.
Bottom line is that they are
Bottom line is that they are just not needed for road racing at any level.
Current rim brakes provide great modulation and more power than you’d ever need; about 99% of the time when you’re racing you’re just feathering the brakes to maintain position/avoid the wheel in front. And if you get yourself in an bad situation where you really need to weigh anchor, the limiting factor will ALWAYS be tyre grip/adhesion, not braking power.
pwake wrote:
Sort of right, sort of wrong.
The limit of stopping ‘speed’ will be affected greatly by tyre grip, but how close you can get to that tyre grip limit will therefore also have a significant effect.
I’m sure I read somewhere something that a SRAM engineer said. Rim brakes allow you to get to with about 10% of full power (can’t remeber exact figure, but it’s something around that) before ability to modulate prevents you from getting any closer to locking up without locking up. Disc brakes allow another 5% (again can’t remember exact figure) or so.
If someone can find the source that would be handy – quick google search didn’t turn up and no time to look harder.
In short though, the limiting factor for stopping a bike is the tyres, but discs allow you to get closer to that limit.
pwake wrote:
I think you’d want to drop anchor to stop. 😉
ColT wrote:
Good point; well made!
Pros are good at riding bikes
Pros are good at riding bikes. Their ability on a bike does not necessarily correlate with being good at much else. I’ve often thought that some riders are best to let their legs do the talking (with exceptions- Emma Pooley, Nicole Cooke, Chris Boardman spring to mind, maybe Peter Sagan). Their pronouncements are often groan-worthy (Sir Wiggins). I’m not yet sure which category Quintana comes into- possibly “don’t give up the day job”.
I’m still wondering where all
I’m still wondering where all these Pros were when carbon fibre rims were introduced? Sooo many issues with them (e.g. crappy in the wet, suspect heat management), but not a peep from the Pros!
timbarnes wrote:
Yes, apparently they don’t mind riding at 80 kph in fast descent, with carbon rims and the glue to the tubular heating to the max … go figure
I think it’s clear he hasn’t
I think it’s clear he hasn’t ridden the disc brake bikes much, the reference to other riders’ having issues with brake rub seems like a clear tell. But while I doubt Campag would be thrilled that their biggest sponsored star isn’t riding best stuff they have to offer, IMHO that’s a personal call. He actually seems to train on (disc-braked) MTBs often, so I’m guessing when he goes out on the road bike he’d likely want to ride his exact race set-up.
On the points he made he knows any additional bike weight would hamper him particularly as a light rider, which would be a fair point bar for the UCI minimum (which could go, though). Also, he seems like a socially aware and empathetic fellow (outside of races), so any potential safety concerns would genuinely hit home for him. Any aerodynamic arguments are guesswork for anyone, coming from pro bike rider I’m guessing they’re based on intuitive feel more than looking at research.
I do think his is an honest assesment of the issue and despite his guarded reputation it’s a good thing he speaks up about the issues of the day (though I disagree with him on power meters as well). But he’s a smart, deliberate guy and he might change his tune a bit if he gave Cayon’s latest disc-brake offerings more of a try.
I have no problem with anyone
I have no problem with anyone expressing an opinion on disc brakes especially if they actually have some experience of using them. What is annoying is the confusion caused by unsubstantiated or outright disproven claims of injury by pro riders (who I really do not care what legal tech they use to win races) and the threat that once again the UCI may extend a ban to ammateur events that I do take part in.
I wish that Campag would just get on and release a disc option. So much of this anti disc sentiment would disappear overnight.
Yes, why on earth should the
Yes, why on earth should the pros have an opinion the equipment they use.
Terrible people those pros.
Super Domestique wrote:
Do they have a say about their shoes, helmet, tyres, groupset, kit, … ? No, they just ride what they are asked to.
frogg wrote:
Do they have a say about their shoes, helmet, tyres, groupset, kit, … ? No, they just ride what they are asked to.— Super Domestique
Yes. When asked.
Super Domestique wrote:
Do they have a say about their shoes, helmet, tyres, groupset, kit, … ? No, they just ride what they are asked to.
— frogg Yes. When asked.— Super Domestique
And when they don’t ride what they are asked to, they are walking, not riding a bike for a lot of money.
This is becoming like the
This is becoming like the ‘anti-vax’ movement from the pros. Moaning about 70g as if it’d cost him a grand tour, don’t forget his luddite anti-powermeter stance as well. Boo this man!
At least one of the
At least one of the arguements against is not really open for debate. They are ugly.
grahamTDF wrote:
But worse than that – they’re noisy.
I really don’t care about the
I really don’t care about the pros whether they ride with disc or not.
As long as the industry is pushing the right direction it really doesn’t bother me. I feel much safer on my disc road bike.
“the brake rubs up against
“the brake rubs up against the rotor. That’s one thing. Secondly, it makes the bike less aerodynamic. “
And what kind of bikes did Marcel Kittel and Tom Boonen ride to victory recently ?
“Thirdly, they’re much heavier.” when climbing there’s zero difference because of the UCI limit ; but in the descent, those with discs will say bye bye to Quintana …
These morons whining about disc brakes sure have a big heart and strong legs, a brain i’m not sure.
He can say what he wants…I
He can say what he wants…I like my discs because they look priddy…
And looking what is the
And looking what is the groupset used by the Movistar Team in 2017, (Nairo Quintana)
Bingo
The Lotto-Soudal team (Adam Hansen)
Just a coincidence.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/product-news/worldtour-pro-team-bikes-guide-152997
Summary: if Quintana could
Summary: if Quintana could use disc brakes, he would, in a hurry. And he wouldn’t complain at all about them.
I think that it is ace that
I think that it is ace that he went to the trouble of putting them in order of priority. Not very good, noisy, less aero, and least important last possibly dangerous.
He claims they don’t work
He claims they don’t work very well. That’s an odd statement, given that one of the main reasons to switch to them is that, regardless of appearance or weight, they’re functionally better than rim brakes.
One thing I have noticed is that 140mm rotors on the front of a “normal” road bike is stupid. They’re OK-ish on the rear, and maybe they’re OK for a featherweight rider on a featherweight bike, but they’re underpowered and easy to overheat on a regular road bike. 160mm rotors make much more sense, at the expense of a few grams.
If the sponsor/manufacturer
If the sponsor/manufacturer of my group set didn’t offer disc brakes, I’d also want to stop those in the peloton who could have them ?
When we can all do the hours
When we can all do the hours on the bike that the pros do, can ride as fast as they do, can climb as well as they do and know as much about bikes and equipment as they do, then that’s when our opinion counts over theirs. Let’s not knock their opinion but rather listen and make up our own minds. They are entitled to their opinion whether or not sponsors help them to decide their opinion. I’m happy with my rim brake bike equally as I am with my disc brake bike. Ride what you want and enjoy what you ride. If your like me, not a pro but very enthusiastic and passionate, then it doesn’t matter. Technology doesn’t have to be endorsed by a pro to make it good for everyone.