Road Rage – Why do Motorists Hate Cyclists?

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    Cycloid

    A couple of other threads on the Forum are talking about road rage incidents. I am asking the fundamental question – Why Road Rage?

    A popular psychology book from the local library gives some insights.

    Outgroups – an outgroup is a group of people to which you do not belong. People tend to make generalisations which they then apply to the group as a whole, for example, (All) Muslims are terrorists, wfe beaters, etc (Not True). Cyclists are reckless, law breakers and they ride through red lights. Vegetarians are an outgroup (Thanks Ian Walker) but nobody really hates them, though they are a pain when they come round for dinner. So there must be other factors.

    Free Riders – Altruistic punishment – This is probably best explained by an example. You go to watch a cricket match. The match has just started, it’s a lovely sunny day and you are sitting down with a pack of sandwiches and a can of beer when a guy climbs over the fence and sits next to you. It should not be a problem, he’s done nothing to detract from your experience, but many people would get a steward to eject the wrongdoer. This is altruistsic punishment, in order to get your version of justice done you have missed a bit of the match.

    Cyclists don’t pay Road Tax (OK it’s VED), have no training, don’t have to take a test or hold a license. They have no insurance. They don’t have to buy expensive highly taxed (79% tax) fuel. They don’t pay for parking but they cause congestion.

    Cyclists Ignore the Highway Code, Redlights, Oneway streets, Footpaths, Etc… They are inconsiderate, Ride in the middle of the road, two abreast, cause delays. They jump queues, are inconsiderate and aggressive.

    However, Cyclists are Fitter, Healthier and place Fewer demands on the NHS. They Don’t pollute, Use fewer resources .They take up less road space, and Don’t damage the roads. More reasons to hate them. They are a load of Smug, Sanctimonious bastards.

    Every group or society has it’s laws, rules, traditions and manners and people who do not conform are punished.

    From (some) motorists viewpoint – Cyclists don’t pay or contribute to use the infrastructure, they abuse the privilege and break the laws – They should be punished for the good of society.

     

     

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  • #977935
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    Cycloid

    We all see things from our

    We all see things from our own perspective for me going downhill was a bad thing.

    This also applies to motorists, maybe cyclists don’t always consider the car behind as much as they should.

    #977933
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    HoarseMann
    Cycloid wrote:
    When I used to race I was better at climbing than descending

    Given that context, it’s perfect!

    I think my aversion to climbing is down to my mtb days, plus an inherent athletic ability that puts me firmly in the aerobic non-responder category yes

    #977931
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    Cycloid

    When I used to race I was

    When I used to race I was better at climbing than descending

    #977929
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    zeeridesbikes

    I definitely don’t enjoy

    I definitely don’t enjoy driving as much as cycling. 

    #977927
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    hawkinspeter

    Just seen this snippet on

    Just seen this article on BoingBoing about cyclist hate: https://boingboing.net/2021/03/17/the-strange-psychological-phenomenon-that-explains-why-people-hate-cyclists.html

    Here’s a section from it:

    Fundamental attribution error obviously extends far beyond cycling. That was just my first introduction to the (regrettably unmemorable) phrase. But I think cycling is a good microcosm for the utter absurdity of this unfortunate phenomenon — a way to stress the importance of pushing back against our petty instincts towards this error. Bicycles are largely harmless; in fact, the very same people who complain about That One Asshole On a Bike Who Blew Through A Stop Sign very probably own bicycles themselves! But that doesn’t stop them from making assumptions.

    You can extend that same thing to almost any form of bias. Consider a white person who says terrible things about Black people while insisting they have Black friends and are not racist. In the cars-vs-bicycles metaphor, they see white people as the cars — the normalized, accepted, default situation. When they see another white person do something shitty, it’s just kind of accepted. But when a Black person does a similar thing, their brain over-emphasizes it, extrapolating the anecdote into a grand representation of all Black people. That’s fundamental attribution error.

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    Anonymous
    Captain Badger wrote:
    Smiffi wrote:
    People who drive are generally trying to get somewhere and few people drive just for the enjoyment.  People who cycle (outside of cities and towns) are generally enjoying a recreational ride to enjoy a day out.  Cyclists generally (outside of cities/towns) travel more slowly that the other road users, and can impede the other users progress.  That’s why there’s friction.

    I have a Garmin Varia radar which logs how many times I’m overtaken.  On a typical  outdoor ride I might be overtaken by 50-150 vehicles, so my 2hr of enjoyable exercise can impede progress of 50-150 other people (obviously depending on road conditions).  Can I justify taking-up so many minutes of other people’s lives? I’m beginning to question that, and that’s why I’ve “ridden” almost all of my 1,000 miles this year indoors.

    So now you drive where you could have cycled. 

    Adding to congestion. Can you justify that?

    Adding to pollution – literally taking minutes from peope’s lives. Can you justify that?

    Increasing the risk to others on the road. Can you justify that?

    I’d stick to doing all your driving indoors in future.

    Like this bloke….

     

    Bin Laden on his way to work?

    #977923
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    Anonymous
    brooksby wrote:
    HoarseMann wrote:
    I think modern cars are so good at isolating you from the elements, that whilst they’re comfortable, they’re also less engaging to drive.

    If I had a classic sports car then it might be a bit different.

    The advantage of a classic is that you can’t forget that you are driving a ton of steel on wheels with a tank full of flammable fluid and an internal combustion engine that works by (more or less) controlled explosions.  Requires you to pay more attention to the act of driving. Which you should be doing anyway..l

    Frim my experience, you don’t feel like you’re sitting in your front room watching the world go by outside your windows.

    Unless you have a phone:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-cambridgeshire-42919605

    Skip to 30 secs. (I am aware it took place years ago, I came across it and found it amusing)

    #977921
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    Anonymous

    I ride a motorcycle. Or I

    I ride a motorcycle. Or I used to, but have put it off the road a while back. Can’t stick driving anymore. I used to love it but it’s just too painful to do now with all the other traffic and speed cameras. This is a shame because motorcycling was how I used to fuck off away somewhere but I simply don’t have the will power for 8 hour long drives. Barely any better than sitting around in hospital which isn’t an unlikely place to end up given the competence (or lack thereof) of many drivers.

    We were supposed to have flying cars by now but can you imagine a sky full of mongy pilots? Probably for the better that idea never became reality.

    #977919
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    Anonymous

    What Gary said. Driving is a

    What Gary said. Driving is a mug’s game and I pity those who have no choice but to do it.

    S-Pedelecs sound like a possible solution but the bureaucracy surrounding them needs to be removed. I hear there is some sort of trial involving e-scooters limited to 15mph. Why not do something similar for s-pedelecs?

    #977917
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    HoarseMann
    Cycloid wrote:
    It all starts just because we are different, an outgroup. From that point it’s all downhill.

    Bad choice of metaphor, ‘all downhill’ is actually a positive thing when it comes to cycling 

    But I agree. It comes from a lack of understanding. A bit like when people say they hate maths.

    #977915
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    Cycloid

    I was only joking

    I was only joking

    #977913
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    David9694

    Imagine we all paid £10 per

    Imagine we all paid £10 per bike per year, (*looks round garage says “oooh, expensive”*) would it make a scrap of difference?  There is no difference between smiffi’s argument and eradication.

    The answer is “no” to appeasement  – as I always say, these are people who are giving nothing back and don’t care.  And let’s not try to justify ourselves in car parity terms, “I’ve got a car”, “I’ve got CUK membership” – we don’t need to, it’s irrelevant. 

    Driving is now such a random experience – everyone recalls the times they had a clear run, they sailed through no problem, which makes the many times that doesn’t happen all the more frustrating for them. The car adverts don’t help.  

    When I saw this one in print, I thought it had a distinctly glum air to it, like it was saying “you’re going to street park me and trail a wire across the pavement every night, aren’t you?” Still, feelgood vibes, eh? 

     

    https://cdn.road.cc/wp-content/uploads/roadcc/3DD51AE2-6FA3-400D-A04C-B6EBE0AD2061.jpeg

    #977911
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    David9694

    I stand corrected – otherwise

    I stand corrected – otherwise it would have been another part of my confession. I simply meant “as opposed to commuting“, or other bike journey sanctioned by Smiffi, the car enabler and friend. Mind you I did lean my bike against the base of a statue…

    #977909
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    David9694

    Put another way, huge swathes

    Put another way, huge swathes of drivers with zero experience of cycling or cyclists.  No-one to challenge them when they moan about cyclists – unless they try it on my village facebook, of course. 

    #977907
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    Cycloid

    You’ve got it.

    You’ve got it.

    It all starts just because we are different, an outgroup. From that point it’s all downhill.

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