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  • July 16, 2015 at 9:11 pm #835559
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    700c

    @Ianrobo
    Your thread may have
    @Ianrobo
    Your thread may have been ostensibly about Knaven and Sky not adhering to their policies, but you’ve since used it to infer repeatedly that sky are doping in the comments that followed. The following quote is more of a direct accusation that sky are currently not riding clean, than an inference..

    ianrobo wrote:

    At least we know Vino doped so Astana don;t bother with lies like they are a totally clean team which Sky try to, when it is bollocks.

    July 16, 2015 at 9:00 pm #835557
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    Kapelmuur

    Funny how quiet this thread
    Funny how quiet this thread went after Sky failed to win a Monument.

    July 16, 2015 at 2:53 pm #835555
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    fukawitribe

    ianrobo wrote:fukawitribe

    ianrobo wrote:
    fukawitribe wrote:
    alansmurphy wrote:
    I grew up in the 70’s, does this mean I was touched by members of the BBC?

    The post hoc ergo propter hoc on here is laughable – I assume that simply by winning a race you are now a cheat?

    Actually, according to a couple on here at least, yes… or indeed anyone in the top 20%. The mind boggles….

    Depends what era you are talking about ?

    I am sure that Cav is clean for example and he has won stages ….

    However go back to 95-2010 I can not be confident of many at all, can you ?

    The present day, according to the people I was alluding to. In every endurance sport in the opinion of one of them.

    July 16, 2015 at 2:16 pm #835553
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    daddyELVIS

    CXR94Di2 wrote:daddyELVIS

    CXR94Di2 wrote:
    daddyELVIS wrote:
    Check the actual TVM trial – then explain how you conclude Knaven didn’t dope!

    I dont have to explain/conclude, there is no evidence that has come to light indicating prior actions have a bearing on sky’s actions currently. Some are trying link actions of 1990s to chris froome performance and coming up with perilously close to accusations of doping and a slur on his good name/character. Beware

    Not all – arguing that it is difficult to trust Sky when they state one thing and do another! They started out with a stated recruitment policy of not employing anybody with past links to doping to illustrate their commitment to being a clean and transparent team! Now, you tell me if they’ve really tried to stick by the principle.

    July 16, 2015 at 1:19 pm #835551
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    Simon E

    CXR94Di2 wrote:Put up your

    CXR94Di2 wrote:
    Put up your evidence in written form,

    I’ll send a link to sky cycling asking them to review these comments and see if they feel they are libellous.

    There is no evidence, he’s just grinding an axe in public. It’s a bit pathetic really, I wouldn’t waste time feeding the troll.

    July 16, 2015 at 1:19 pm #835549
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    ianrobo

    fukawitribe wrote:alansmurphy

    fukawitribe wrote:
    alansmurphy wrote:
    I grew up in the 70’s, does this mean I was touched by members of the BBC?

    The post hoc ergo propter hoc on here is laughable – I assume that simply by winning a race you are now a cheat?

    Actually, according to a couple on here at least, yes… or indeed anyone in the top 20%. The mind boggles….

    Depends what era you are talking about ?

    I am sure that Cav is clean for example and he has won stages ….

    However go back to 95-2010 I can not be confident of many at all, can you ?

    July 16, 2015 at 1:17 pm #835547
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    ianrobo

    daddyELVIS wrote:Check the

    daddyELVIS wrote:
    Check the actual TVM trial – then explain how you conclude Knaven didn’t dope!

    Some are just blind …

    July 16, 2015 at 1:14 pm #835545
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    fukawitribe

    alansmurphy wrote:I grew up

    alansmurphy wrote:
    I grew up in the 70’s, does this mean I was touched by members of the BBC?

    The post hoc ergo propter hoc on here is laughable – I assume that simply by winning a race you are now a cheat?

    Actually, according to a couple on here at least, yes… or indeed anyone in the top 20%. The mind boggles….

    July 16, 2015 at 1:08 pm #835543
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    Iamnot Wiggins

    Doping will never fix Chris
    Doping will never fix Chris Froome looking awful on a bike.

    July 16, 2015 at 12:20 pm #835541
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    CXR94Di2

    daddyELVIS wrote:Check the

    daddyELVIS wrote:
    Check the actual TVM trial – then explain how you conclude Knaven didn’t dope!

    I dont have to explain/conclude, there is no evidence that has come to light indicating prior actions have a bearing on sky’s actions currently. Some are trying link actions of 1990s to chris froome performance and coming up with perilously close to accusations of doping and a slur on his good name/character. Beware

    July 16, 2015 at 12:17 pm #835539
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    alansmurphy

    I grew up in the 70’s, does
    I grew up in the 70’s, does this mean I was touched by members of the BBC?

    The post hoc ergo propter hoc on here is laughable – I assume that simply by winning a race you are now a cheat?

    July 16, 2015 at 12:06 pm #835537
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    daddyELVIS

    Check the actual TVM trial –
    Check the actual TVM trial – then explain how you conclude Knaven didn’t dope!

    July 16, 2015 at 12:05 pm #835535
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    CXR94Di2

    Put up your evidence in
    Put up your evidence in written form,

    I’ll send a link to sky cycling asking them to review these comments and see if they feel they are libellous.

    I can assure you having a high court writ served against you is not a pleasant experience. Defending your self, even when you’re innocent is very stressful.

    July 16, 2015 at 11:58 am #835533
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    Martyn_K

    Cheers CXR94Di2, another
    Cheers CXR94Di2, another voice of reason here.

    Working on the logic of some i have been a gun toting, alcoholic criminal. I grew up a in quite a rough area of town. Many of my school time peers were involved with criminal activities. Some have been convicted of gun crimes and substance abuse. I have never been down that road, but obviously because i knew them, grew up with them, went to school with them and lived around them i must be guilty. Send me to the gallows!

    Back to the OP. The basic premise that Sky can’t be trusted and their performances must be due to doping.

    I say again. There is no proof during this time of increased testing that any riders are on the juice. Time to put it to bed as it is boring now.

    July 16, 2015 at 11:40 am #835531
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    ianrobo

    700c wrote:
    Remain cynical,

    700c wrote:

    Remain cynical, sure, that’s your right, but until there is proof of guilt people really shouldn’t accuse team Sky, or others, of doping.

    This is about Knaven as a rider in the late 90’s and his position now. Rims was kicked out for being a doper (finally), Vino is ridiculed as a DS, a certain ex Lance DS is desperate to be back in and can not, why not Knaven ?

    do you believe he was clean ?

    As for now the title of this thread says it all

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