Cyclists should be forced to ride on the pavement rather than the road, says a UKIP parliamentary candidate. Lynton Yates also says that benefits claimants should not be allowed to drive and their licences should be taken away from them. UKIP says the remarks do not reflect party policy.
Mr Yates is the party’s prospective parliamentary candidate for the Conservative seat of Charnwood, Leicestershire and made his remarks in a leaflet distributed locally, with a picture of it posted to Twitter by @atosmiraclesfb.
Under the heading ‘UKIP response’ on the subject of traffic congestion, Mr Yates says in the leaflet: "As much as I applaud cycling as a form of exercise and past-time [sic] the already congested roads cannot cope with both bus lanes AND cyclists.
"Cycles should go back to the pavements yet give priority to pedestrians."

Mr Yates, a councillor who sits on Leicestershire County Council’s transport committee, told The Mirror: "John Major made it unlawful to ride on the pavement. Since then the roads are twice as congested. It seems ludicrous to me."
As Bikehub’s Cycling and the Law article highlights, cycling on the footway has been illegal for rather longer than that; the relevant statute is Section 72 of the Highway Act 1835, as amended by Section 85(1) of the Local Government Act 1888.
Since 1988 – when Margaret Thatcher, not Mr Major, was Prime Minister – riding on the footway has been punishable by a fixed penalty notice, although official guidance reiterated last year by transport minister Robert Goodwill is for police officers to exercise their discretion.
In his leaflet, Mr Yates also says: "We could likely remove six million cars from the roads if benefits claimants were not driving. Why do they have the privilege to spend the tax payers' hard earned money on a car, when those in work are struggling to keep their own car on the road? These people really could catch a bus."
The latter seems aimed at the unemployed, although with around two million people claiming jobseekers’ allowance, by no means all of own a car, it’s unclear where that figure of six million comes from.
In terms of money spent by the government on benefits, unemployment ranks well behind those related pensions, family, disability and housing according to 2013 research from the Joseph Rowntree foundation.
A UKIP spokesperson told The Mirror that the comments in the leaflet "are not UKIP policies and they will not form part of the UKIP manifesto."
Despite that denial, Mr Yates told the newspaper that requiring unemployed people to surrender their driving licences was a “possibility.”
He said: "I'm sure people will say 'what if they've got a job interview'. Well I'm sure if you had nothing to do you could leave a bit earlier and get a bus."
Maybe the jobless could follow the example of Norman Tebbitt’s father, as recounted by the former cabinet minister in 1981, and get on their bikes instead? But only if they ride on the pavement, of course…





















100 thoughts on “UKIP leaflet says cyclists should stick to pavements”
Laughably ignorant.
Most
Laughably ignorant.
Most people ‘in receipt of benefits’ have (pensioners) or still work (those on low incomes).
I would like to say that UKIP should get rid of these people so that it doesn’t hurt their image, but well… best not to give these idiots tips!
jackh wrote:Laughably
They can’t get rid of them, UKIP are those people.
Look at me, I’m stupid!!
Look at me, I’m stupid!! 8}
Just a nonsense Ukipper who
Just a nonsense Ukipper who panders to the small number of men who see the car as an extension to their small penis’s and want to go as fast as possible.
We really need to mandate an
We really need to mandate an intelligence test for politicians…
jacknorell wrote:We really
First things first, anyone who wants to be one is automatically disqualified…
Should be drawn by lots from suitably qualified people. Literate, holding a secondary qualification in English Language and also Mathematics…
Bit like Jury service, for a fixed term and well recompensed for their trouble…
Paul_C wrote:jacknorell
Good plan. Of course our political elite won’t allow that now, would they?
We don’t have a democracy, because we the people cannot get rid of the politicians…
The Article wrote:The latter
Actually the ONS say they are 1.91 million unemployed, but only 0.87 million are currently claiming Jobseeker’s Allowance.
Perhaps they all use their £50 a week to run seven cars simultaneously? 😕
Paul_C wrote:jacknorell
I’ve always thought this might be a good idea with appropriate safeguards.
These people are Ukip. Nigel
These people are Ukip. Nigel might but a brave face in it but the rest of the party really are bonkers hate-buckets. I would rather take every Brussels directive on sausages than give an inch to these purple rosetted twernts. I’ve been to Yurp it is a jolly nice place, mountains and that. They appreciate bikes there.
People of croydon and Essex: reap what you sew.
they really are fucking
they really are fucking mental, aren’t they?
Regarding the revelation…
Regarding the revelation… “John Major made it unlawful to ride on the pavement. Since then the roads are twice as congested. It seems ludicrous to me.”
Lets look at the number of cars on the road since John Major was last in power.
1996 – 25 Million Cars
2015 – 36 Million Cars
Has this not got anything to do with the congestion?
Rooster123 wrote:Regarding
And it isn’t even twice as many!
Rooster123 wrote:Regarding
And it isn’t even twice as many!
Rooster123 wrote:Regarding
I think that was his point? When he states the law was passed to force cyclists to use the road, there were fewer cars on the road. Now due to the increase in traffic, cyclists should be forced off the roads. Not withstanding his factual inaccuracies.
Was there actually a specific
Was there actually a specific piece of legislation during the major government that banned cycling on the footway? Because I was led to believe that it was effectively banned before either bicycles or cars were invented, by banning carriages from the footway.
Lynton Yates apparently has
Lynton Yates apparently has absolutely no sense of irony – he suggests that six million cars could be taken off the roads, if the untermensch who drive them were banned.
Six million – now where have I heard that number before?
He makes Al Murray’s ‘Pub
He makes Al Murray’s ‘Pub Landlord’ spoof political campaign actually look serious. Moron.
So, how does one go about
So, how does one go about getting “On Yer Bike!” without being able to cycle?
I’m an unemployed graduate and can’t afford to run a car as it is and rely on Trains and bike to get to interviews (most are at industrial estates and research centers in the countryside) as I got badly stung with a 20mi round trip with taxis.
This seems like classic UKIP jumping on an issue that riles lots of people to get mindless votes. The problem is those people don’t realise how much worse it’ll be under their policies.
The giant turd on my lawn
The giant turd on my lawn left by my dog this morning would be a better UKIP candidate. What a tool.
“John Major made it unlawful
“John Major made it unlawful to ride on the pavement. Since then the roads are twice as congested. It seems ludicrous to me.”
Here are some other facts that relate just as much as the above:
* “In 1985 Rocky IV is released – we all remember how Rocky fights the commies on that movie. On the following year, Mikhail Gorbachev introduces Perestroika, a policy that leads eventually to the end of the Soviet Union”.
*”In 2006, Pluto lost its status as a planet, and ever since it’s considered a “dwarf planet”. One year after that decision, the *planet* Earth was on its knees due to the Credit Crunch”.
Coincidence? I don’t think so.
i’m wondering if Lantern is
i’m wondering if Lantern is being ironic, or just being an idiot. Sadly UKIP is no laughing matter, nor are the Greens for that matter.
birzzles wrote:i’m wondering
I wondering what you are talking about. Have you misread something or have you got the author of a comment confused?
I’m embarrassed by UKIP’s
I’m embarrassed by UKIP’s selection of some prospective candidates.
But for all of you knocking UKIP, remember Labour has two ministers who pushed for paedophilia, and we now hear reports that the two Eds knew of the impending crash a year before it hit us in 08.
Lib Dems allowed a pervert to stalk childrens homes.
Tories blocked reports into child abuse.
Yet he without sin cast the first stone.
runskiprun wrote:I’m
Yes, of course, because decades old idiocy should affect how we feel about today’s idiocy going into a general election.
Makes perfect sense.
Oh, so the answer to the
Oh, so the answer to the problem of child abuse must be reactionary shallow thinking and xenophobia. Got it.
‘I’m embarrassed by UKIP’s
‘I’m embarrassed by UKIP’s selection of some prospective candidates.’
…but not by their absolute fruitloop policies?
ah, you’re one of those
ah, you’re one of those types. read the article.
insufferable bellend, you keep voting for more of the same.
runskiprun wrote:ah, you’re
I am not voting for more of the same, I am a floating voter and you just reminded me that UKIP and their far right disillusioned Tories are such twats. I have read the article, I have also read UKIP voters claim this story is a conspiracy by Labour ignoring the fact the candidate has admitted to creating them and the party also has admitted it. Always the victim you UKIP voters, you sound like some of the minorities you are so against, you need George Galloway.
runskiprun wrote:ah, you’re
The other parties may be idiots, but are you trying to say that UKIP are a positive solution to anything?
you’re saying that LAbour
you’re saying that LAbour (paedo enablers), Tories (child abuse obfuscators) or the LibDems (Cyril Smith!) be better than they are??? :/ :/ :/ :^o
runskiprun wrote:you’re
Isn’t there a Britain First Facebook post that needs your commentary somewhere rather than you fouling the boards here?
runskiprun wrote:you’re
and what are UKIP? racists, bigots, hypocrites? Every party has its questionable members, granted. UKIP? what do they stand for? scrapping the NHS, scrapping any influence we might have with our biggest trading party, a desire to return to a fictional 1950s? Every day another story emerges of a party that doesn’t have a clue what it stands for, except screwing the UK of course!
The British Empire has gone, now get over it!!!!!!!
runskiprun wrote:you’re
:)) When I saw this comment in the sidebar I thought it was a sarcastic reply from someone else TO you, rather than a serious post from you. Jeez!
Here’s a game for you – get Daily Mail readers to implode by telling them that voting Tory is condoning child abuse but will ensure the value of their house increases…
runskiprun wrote:you’re
Because advocating the killing of people you don’t like is so much better.
2012 – compulsory abortion for Down’s syndrome
2005 – criminally insane people should be killed and their organs harvested
And racism is cool…
2007 – BNP donations
2013 – “bongo bongo land”
2014 – another of the party’s MEPs, Janice Atkinson, found herself in hot water after being caught on a recording describing a Thai constituent as “a ting tong from somewhere
Let’s not forget the Misogyny:
2009 – “Amanda Knox? Would you…?”
2004 – Bloom said: “If you’re a small business, you’d be a lunatic to hire a woman of child bearing age. If you want to have a baby, you hand in your resignation and free up a job for another young lady.
Irrespective of what my party is promising, I’m struggling to see anything but some quite sick people representing the party you are advocating.
http://www.londonlovesbusiness.com/business-news/politics/shock-and-awe-10-years-of-ukip-scandals/8199.article
runskiprun wrote:you’re
Go on then, I know I shouldn’t but I will react to your nasty reactionary bile. Foul ignorant pieces of shit like you were responsible for the death of millions in concentration camps. Your anti-intellectual position would make Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot very happy. Are you proud? I despise you and your ilk, you cunt.
Dropped wrote:runskiprun
Godwin’s law…
You must be a leftie; they seem to be the type that most easily gets worked up into a violent frenzy when a political opinion is expressed that doesn’t conform to their own.
Don’t you have some free speech to quell elsewhere?
eurotrash wrote:Dropped
I’m proud to be a ‘leftie’ rather than thick scum like you. Happy for filth like you to express your opinion unlike your chums who want to put foreigners in gas chambers, but haven’t got the balls to admit thats what they want.
Dropped wrote:eurotrash
I’m proud to be a ‘leftie’ rather than thick scum like you. Happy for filth like you to express your opinion unlike your chums who want to put foreigners in gas chambers, but haven’t got the balls to admit thats what they want.— runskiprun
That’s exactly what I want. Oh wait, did I forget to mention I’m an immigrant? Where’s the nearest gas chamber…
Dropped wrote:runskiprun
That’s a bit harsh. He kind of has a point re the amount of child abuse that has taken place by people in high places, doesn’t he?
runskiprun wrote:ah, you’re
Here I was, wondering when there would finally come a time when a UKIP fanboy would put together a calm, intelligent, coherent, reasoned and erudite response to any criticism of the party.
Well done you.
He needs to read Mr Reid:
He needs to read Mr Reid: http://www.roadswerenotbuiltforcars.com/
That is, once he’s learnt to read of course. I assume that anyone this ill-educated and stupid, can’t.
Quote:I’m embarrassed by
I’m embarrassed that ukip exists in the human race. (or excuse thereof)
Oh come on! The crash was publicly predicted well in advance. The politicians and bankers chose to ignore the warnings (except for tony Blair, for the timing of his exit was no co-incidence)
Why would the Greens be a laughing matter? Why are they relevant to this discussion?
I don’t know why UKIP don’t
I don’t know why UKIP don’t just rebrand themselves as “Anarchy in the UK”
Quote:I’m embarrassed by
I’m not, I think its great. I think these idiots should much more airtime to expose their ridiculous ideas and let the thinking world laugh at them.
We will get the government we deserve.
Passports of all UKIP voters
Passports of all UKIP voters should be revoked at the polling stations.
Quote: insufferable bellend,
Calling people insufferable bellends is always a good way to win them over.
no intention of winning his
no intention of winning his type over. If this turns out to be true (I doubt it) then the candidate should be sacked. but the glee and speed at which people show at pointing out the stupidity of UKIP, have you looked at what your party’s promises?
runskiprun wrote:If this
Why do you doubt it?
The story has been reported by The Mirror, The Telegraph, The Guardian, BBC, ITV, Huffington Post to name a few.
They give quotes from the bloke himself, from UKIP and from other parties. UKIP have said they are suspending him as a candidate.
he has been suspended by UKIP
he has been suspended by UKIP
telling the truth costs an high price ha ha
Well, they’re not going to
Well, they’re not going to charge me for driving abroad, prevent me from working or make it more difficult to sell my products in the EU, which is a huge market, for starters.
And they’re not going to force “British values” down my throat, whatever they are.
I thought the roads were
I thought the roads were congested because of unchecked immigration and a failed policy of multiculturalism. That’s what Nigel Farage says anyway.
UKIP always gets in trouble
UKIP always gets in trouble like this because it’s not really a professional party. I don’t hold a candle for them but I am interested in politics generally. The thing I wonder about is how the other parties would get on if they were as loosely organised as UKIP. If people candidates and members could get their own leaflets printed with their own comments on them without having them vetted first. Normally campaign leaflets are centrally supplied pre printed with a national or regional message and the previously submitted candidate message that has to be approved.
Trust me there’s as many barking mad Tory, Labour, Lib Dem and Green candidates out there that would come a right cropper if they were allowed to write stuff they actually thought.
The whole New Labour project was underpinned by Mandelson issuing precise messages to Labour MPs and candidates on the party line on the latest issue minute by minute on the party supplied pager just to make sure no one said anything “off message”.
It’s more that UKIP are amateurs and all sorts of people are allowed to say what they want because the party hasn’t got the structures to stop them. The UKIP guy for the next constutuency to me runs the club runs for the road club and is the timekeeper for their TTs. There’s nothing particularly anti or pro cycling about UKIP. Or anyone other party BTW. They are just amateurs.
oozaveared wrote:There’s
Hmmm.. I seem to remember a few eyebrow-raisers in their 2010 manifesto:
Compulsory insurance, a mandatory “Cycledisc” to identify cyclists, mandatory cycle training, paying for cycle parking, legal enforcement of Cyclists Dismount advisory signs.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/recreational-cycling/10846025/Cyclists-dont-vote-for-an-anti-cycling-party.html
http://road.cc/content/forum/77338-ukip-policies-bikes
Quote: Every day another
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11305716/Ukips-tweet-crackdown-amid-embarassing-scandals.html
Or you can read some of the
Or you can read some of the other anti-cycling corkers dropped by the UKIP candidate in Cambridge (May 2013):
Such gems as:
http://www.camcycle.org.uk/elections/2013maycounty/eastchesterton/
I’ve said it before and I’ll
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. UKIP is not intended to win any power. UKIP exists to make people think that the only alternative to voting for a fascist party is to vote for a bunch of crackpots.
Sanderville wrote:I’ve said
And which, pray tell, is which?
Oh well, nothing new. UKIPs
Oh well, nothing new. UKIPs got more than it fair share of “crackpot” candidates, and the press loves reporting every time they do or say something outrageous.
As mentioned already, that’s what happens when you have unprofessional candidates who are relatively free to speak their own minds – they say the sort of things that you might hear amongst buddies (depending on what sort of company you keep), but would never pass as “sanctioned” policy or communication.
Let’s not forget that lots of them have come to UKIP from the Conservatives and Labour. Maybe they were kept muzzled at the time.
Still gonna vote UKIP.
eurotrash wrote:Still gonna
OK, lots of reasons to not vote for the established parties.
But why would you vote for this bunch? What policies is it you like? How do you think they’ll make Britain a better place? Are these the people you trust with our government? How have they, to you, shown they should be?
I really do want to know.
jacknorell wrote:eurotrash
I am definitely not a kipper but actually you’re question misses the actual real effect on policy that UKIP sought and has achieved. It’s not going to be elected as a government or even have a substantial enough number of MPs to do real deals and achieve any of its own legislation. So their policies as such don’t matter.
The actual effect of UKIP has been to scare the bejeezus out incumbent MPs and in all kinds of constituencies and since there is no nailed on massive majority for any party at the moment that scares the parties. UKIP can just bugger up their numbers. It’s a constant thorn in the side of the Conservative Party but there are also lots of Labour wards and seats where UKIP have gained support. They’re an omni-protest party. They are that precisely because they are a totally unslick, unscripted, unprofessional shambolic mess that make unguarded remarks.
The drive of parties to be more professional and coordinated on script and as inoffensive as possible in their pronouncements has left a vacuum for people like UKIP and interesting people in other parties that are personally like this to connect. That’s partly because the media wants interesting stuff and UKIP and politicians like Boris Johnson don’t do boring. So while most of the parties have been painting themselves magnolia there’s a gap for colourful.
The effect of UKIP is extremely interesting especially in a first past the post system which means they won’t get many seats.
UKIP is an anti-politics party. Most of the people that vote for it are sticking two fingers up to someone. They do best when the target is the EU because the EU is unpopular even with people that want the UK to remain in it. The EU (slick eurocratic, suave and elitist) is the perfect foil for UKIP. But other targets exist.
So to their effect. Who thought 5 years ago that the Labour Party would be apologising for its immigration policies and advocating policies aimed at curbing so-called benefit tourism.
There are a whole raft of policies that the other parties have that are formed not to copy UKIPs (god no) but to insulate themselves from the UKIP effect. In effect to UKIP proof their own policies. That is an observable policy effect.
You’ll have seen that many politicians, Cameron certainly but also Milliband have stopped trying to ridicule UKIP because the more they did the more the electorate or a portion of the elctorate knew exactly how to get up their noses if they wanted. So very few Labour MPs now wax lyrical about being pro immigration. They either stay schtum or make the case carefully. Likewise benefits. The Conservative Parliamentary party is about evenly split on EU membership. You don’t hear many of them giving it large on the wonders of the EU. (except Ken Clarke maybe). That’s the UKIP effect.
UKIPs polling is running at around 15% but it’s been up at 20% a few times. To put that in perspective, that’s about 7 points consistently ahead of the Lib dems. I doubt that 15% – 20% of the electorate seriously want kippers running the country or that they are all racist bigots or golf club bores. What UKIP now provide is what the liberals then the libdems used to provide before they actually did get into government. The repository of a protest vote. Remember when it was the liberals that had all those barking mad policies that indicated that they weren’t even trying to be in government. Well that what UKIP are now with one difference. They have one underlying policy which is intended seriously and does have traction in the UK. Exit from the EU.
Quote:Still gonna vote
really? Which policy do you like (in addition to their anti-cycling ones)?
Must be Mad wrote:Quote:Still
I don’t intend to contribute to a political debate here so I may or may not answer further after this…
However I feel strongly that a country should be governed by representatives who are elected by its citizens, and that the country’s laws should equally be created/voted for by those representatives. (I’d prefer that laws were put to people in referendums, but that’s far too unrealistic for now.)
As we are being forced to obey laws and rulings passed by officials who we didn’t vote for, this offends me as much as free speech offends most students. The EU has become a lot more than it used to be; and as Farage says, we should be able to trade with the rest of Europe but not be governed by them.
Europe is heading towards ever closer political and economic integration and I want out. Therefore I am voting for the only party whose existence is based on that issue, i.e. UKIP.
As for UKIP being full of racists, bigots, and whatnot… yes they seem to have more than their fair share. And I can see why those people would be attracted to UKIP. If you are inherently xenophobic, you’d want to vote for the one “main” party that is serious about reducing and controlling immigration. If you’re racist the same logic could apply, although given that UKIP wants to control immigration (quality as well as numbers) rather than stop it, it could easily result in more people of non-white races coming here than before; currently there is an “open door” policy to the largely white EU countries and restrictions on most others. If all countries were restricted and entry was based on skill set, you might get proportionally more non-whites than whites vs the previous ratio. Just speculation.
However even if UKIP boasts more racists than most of the other parties, that doesn’t really matter to me. I’m voting to leave the EU. And UKIP is one party that *appears* to say “This is what we stand for, vote for us or don’t” whereas both the Conservatives and Labour seem to care only about remaining in power and will change their policies to suit. They don’t have any firm or strong opinions or viewpoints. They can’t say “this is what we stand for” because they change what they stand for with every turn of public opinion. They want to reflect public opinion so that they can remain in power. I can’t respect that. I can and do respect a party that stands for something even if everyone ridicules or hates them for it.
Is said councillor unaware
Is said councillor unaware that inciting anyone to commit a crime is a crime in itself. Under current law, it is unlawful to ride on a pavement unless a designated shared space. Hopefully, he will never be in a position politically to change the law?
peter s 1944 wrote:Is said
But he wasn’t inciting anyone to commit a crime; he was saying what he’d like to see happen if UKIP were in a position to legislate (although the party distanced itself from his comments).
In such an unlikely scenario, however, he would be watching from the sidelines – they’ve suspended him.
Quote:There’s nothing
Let’s not be apologists for UKIP, even half-heartedly. They are dim-witted bigots, their policies are incoherent or non-existent, and their instinct is to lash out at anyone they feel is not like them. This includes lashing out at cyclists.
If you want the racist old guy from the golf club as your MP, vote UKIP. I don’t and I won’t.
I have made a point of voting
I have made a point of voting in every election that I have been eligible to vote in because I see it as my duty as a citizen in a democracy.
But…
I literally have no-one to vote for! :”(
levermonkey wrote:I have made
It diabolical isn’t it. There is not a single party that represents my views. In fact I would go so far as to say that all of the parties (major and minor) have policies I vehemently disagree with. Of all the parties out there right now I support some of what the Greens say, some of what Labour say and some of what the Conservatives say. But the big problem is that each of those parties “lead policies” (the headline grabbing stuff that they are positioning themselves with) are a complete anathema to to me. They are all trying too hard to separate themselves and digging entrenched extreme positions that can only be bad for the country as a whole.
It is a sad day in UK politics for sure. It’s been getting worse election on election but this forthcoming one is a turning point in the credibility of government.
Perhaps all we can hope for is for the forthcoming elections to be such a complete cluster fuck that all the parties collapse and have to reform along lines that represent the people and not the parties.
I remember Wolfie Smiths little black book and statement “Come the revolution”. I’d like to see “party politicians” added to that book…
Anyway Lets keep the shiny side up and the wheel turning.
Why not take the ‘political
Why not take the ‘political pepsi-chalange’, and see who’s policies you actually like the best:
http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/
It really is quite interesting once you strip away the hyperbole….
This guy is clearly a fool,
This guy is clearly a fool, sorry tool =)) .
Quote:
You must be a leftie;
Typical right-wing clap-trap. Someone’s never seen Fox news then!
Quote:As we are being forced
So… its just about immigration for you is it?
I honestly don’t understand why some have such a bee in their bonnet on this.
I’ld like to see immigration better managed than it currently is, but for me, it’s not even in the top 10 of issues we need to deal with in this country.
Must be Mad wrote:Quote:As we
I’m in 2 minds about immigration, on one hand I support peoples right to travel freely, on the other it is obvious that immigration strongly effects supply and demand of housing and jobs. Immigration is causing wage stagnation and contributing to the upwards house price spiral / bubble. London and the South East are becoming too expensive to live in. At this point we have council housing waiting lists of tens of thousands per borough so we should be building a few hundred thousand (high standard) new homes.
kie7077 wrote:I’m in 2 minds
Immigration causes wage stagnation and house price spiral – do you really believe that?!?
It doesn’t sound like you’re in two minds at all.
I agree with Must be Mad. Immigrants, like the homeless, people on benefits, ‘the Muslim community’ and so on, are merely convenient scapegoats for those in power and for people who don’t want to think for themselves.
kie7077 wrote:I’m in 2 minds
Or is the issue the incredibly restrictive planning system that we currently have in place? There is plenty of land, consider the difference in price between a piece of agricultural land and land with planning consent? If land was the issue wouldn’t the price difference be minimal???
No one wants anything built in “their” back yard, be it housing, roads, rail, power, etc. Fact of the matter is it has to be built somewhere.
Crikey, let’s hope UKIP never
Crikey, let’s hope UKIP never come out with any pronouncements on helmets or the resulting meltdown on Road CC’s computer may be visible from space
So, UKIP will make Britain
So, UKIP will make Britain worse for everyone (except the bankers…) but people will vote so that we may leave the EU at any cost.
We need a ‘pile of crap’ emoticon for commenting.
No Surprise. It’s their
No Surprise. It’s their Nuremburg Raleigh
snappyandrew wrote:No
I refuse to let this post get lost in all the other nonsense.
Well done sir, well done.
Whoops! Shouldn’t have gone
Whoops! Shouldn’t have gone below the line on this story!
Oh well…
I grew up in (what is now) UKIP country, so I understand their appeal – commonsense-sounding solutions to very complex problems, with a fair dash of dogwhistle xenophobia and sexism. What I’m intrigued by is the coming ideological power struggle between the libertarian Douglas Carswell approach, with the Alf Garnett-esque activist base.
I won’t vote for them – I’m one of the six or seven people in the country who will still probably vote Lib Dem, as they remain the party whose policies are closest to my own personal views – but I do think the media are giving the kippers a harder time than most. All parties have crackpot (and indeed criminal) councillors and candidates – and both of the two main parties have plenty of MPs & councillors who are ignorant-to-hostile on cycling.
Ghedebrav wrote:Whoops!
You hit the nail on the head with that ‘power struggle’ comment – UKIP is fundamentally incoherent and self-contradictory.
I hesitate to say this, lest it be misunderstood, but that is one thing they do have in common with fascists – that they are trying to ride two horses (two bikes? A bike and a horse? A merc and a tractor?) at once.
I’m not saying they are fascists in terms of viciousness or policies, but this business of trying to appeal to businessmen _and_ disaffected working people and hard-up pensioners at the same time was charactersitic of fascists.
I reckon its precisely because Farage is _not_ a fascist (he’s just a fairly standard Thatcherite), that they will indeed eventually fall apart.
The other thing about them is that apart from Farage himself they seem to be are a party of amateurs who don’t really undestand politics or how it works.
“For every complex problem
“For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.” – H.L. Mencken
But for Kippers, this fact is far too difficult to comprehend.
I believe an EU exit would be
I believe an EU exit would be madness, but that aside…
You’re right, UKIP has heavily influenced UK politics. In my opinion, for the (much) worse, as each party has lurched towards extreme policies and ideological rather than practical & equitable courses of action.
I truly believe they’re not just ‘p**ssing in the pond’ of politics providing building blocks for a good a society, but chucking in buckets of arsenic.
In a similar way that the current mode of terrorism seems designed to split western societies. To create shunned outsiders in moderate muslims (disgusting that it’s even a necessary term, and I’m a strident atheist) so as to gain further radical useful idiots to continue the terror acts…
Same mode of operation, though not the same radical outcome sought. I hope. Because much of the populist party language is a nicely dressed up version of 1930s propaganda 🙁
UKIP is most definitely not a party for average people, their shameful, cowardly, and libertarian (everyone for themselves…) leanings would be awful for the ‘average man’.
jacknorell wrote:I believe an
UKIP have made a massive impact on British politics and partly because so many people are fed up with the insular world our politicians seem to inhabit. But rather than providing an answer, the UKIP crew are even worse than our professional politicians. Just take a look at Farage’s record in the EU parliament and his expenses issues and so on, without even going into all the questionable characters brought into the UKIP fold as councillors or prospective candidates. I can’t help drawing parallels with the SNP and the people (family members of mine included) who have fallen for the smoke and mirrors of Salmond and Sturgeon. Because so many Scots are fed up with the Westminster machine, they’ve come to think SNP holds the answer, despite the fact that its economics were always utterly flawed, as has been proven with the collapse of the oil price.
I can understand why people are disenchanted by Westminster politics. But as options the SNP, or even worse UKIP, aren’t the answer. they’ll just make things 10x worse.
Now can we get back to cycling?
OldRidgeback wrote:I can
Agreed, and yes please 🙂 Had a lovely ride this morning, cold but clear and some sun even.
jacknorell wrote:I believe an
Better than the madness we have being part of it? Sad to say but heres hoping the Tories get (re)elected(?) at least the People of the UK will be allowed to decide. Its bye bye to the Strasbourg Cash Cow from me.
Das wrote:jacknorell wrote:I
*infinitely* better.
Hello !
Can anyone point me
Hello !
Can anyone point me in the direction of a jolly cycling forum ?
Thanks !
UKIP is full of crack pots,
UKIP is full of crack pots, who think up policy on the hoof. This is no exception. However, I think we should be allowed to share footpaths with pedestrians whenever we feel like it rather than through local bye-laws for the odd stretch of footpath here and there. Obviously priority for right of way should be with pedestrians and cyclists ought to be prepared to dismount if necessary.
It would save a lot of problems at junctions and other pinch points without the need to waste local council time on passing bye-laws and planning reports.
BigBear63 wrote: However, I
Not so sure about this, but there is certainly a strong case for all allowing cycling on pavement on uphill gradients >5-6% where cyclist speeds are almost the same as pedestrians
BigBear63 wrote:It would save
And then the next step is to ever more bully us off the roads at those same points… no thanks.
Solution to this is well-designed infrastructure, not making traffic become pedestrians.
Just think of all the
Just think of all the progressive safety laws and taxes for cyclists EU bureaucrats could imagineer if they put their big heads to it.
DrSport wrote:Just think of
Like delaying the introduction of safer truckers in order to protect Renault and Volvo profits?
Politicians – Probably the
Politicians – Probably the best liars in the world!
Anyone who seeks a position of leadership should not be given it.
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Responsibility should be a word that scares, not one that excites.
I think everyone is so
I think everyone is so missing the point here. Most politicians seem unfit for purpose on so many levels.
They shouldn’t be able to make decisions without going for a run or a cycle first. I know I’m a much more agreeable person after a cycle. 😀
ronin wrote:I think everyone
At last, the centre of the problem.
The cynicism expressed here
The cynicism expressed here by many is pathetic. If you don’t like a politician or their policies DON’T VOTE FOR THEM. If no one shares your views then stand for election yourself. There is probably a reason none of the parties represent your views, because no one agrees with you. Have so many people forgotten the 20th Century already? Remember Other Political Systems have been tried and been found to fail or just be, you know, evil. So suck it up and make a choice, or just shut up and leave the decisions to other adults who give a damn.
I’m proud to say i vote
I’m proud to say i vote Labour and will continue to do so, so yes I’m a leftie. I’m also a Police officer – so by most peoples opinions i’m a right wing boot boy ! dont figure does it.
I’ve also worked in Newcastle West End where the immigration was massive compared to most of the north east and to be honest other than a few nut jobs the vast majority of immigrants were law abiding, hard working people, jsut like the large Asian and Chinese community up there.
Unlike the “white” locals who wanted to get rid of them, not becuse they stole jobs or because they got paid benefits it was simply because they were not white and British.
That area is now a hot bed for the edf, bnp and ukip which just goes to show the type of people who ukip are being supported by.
Vote for whoever you want, thats why we are a democracy.
Am i on a cycling
Am i on a cycling website?
Leave your political diatribe and swearing for your no doubt very active facebook feeds.
Didn’t Rohan Dennis do well?
Sure. Restrict mobility of
Sure. Restrict mobility of benefits claimants even more in the absence of improvements to public transport. They aren’t all just sitting around and wasting time, some actually try to find work, and just need a little hand until they get back on their feet. How is removing their right to drive going to help them? Riding on pavements is also not always possible, unless they are wide enough to be made into a shared path, or even have a designated cycling lane, which I am sure UKIP MPs are not eager to fund at all. I feel like I’ve been dismissed as some sort of a nuisance.