Mondays are rarely as thrilling as yesterday's stage 10 of the Tour de France which provided fireworks, drama and intrigue as race favourite Alberto Contador was forced to abandon after suffering a broken leg in a crash on the 163km stage. But if you were on Twitter, that wasn't the really big story, all attention was focused on the cause of a photo of Contador's broken Specialized Tarmac frame. Did the frame snapping cause him to crash, seemed to be the general question that most wanted an immediate answer to.
New photo just dropped in from AFP of broken bike which is definitely Alberto Contador's – see mounted race No 31. pic.twitter.com/1xyy1ww0Ay
— John MacLeary (@JohnMacLeary) July 14, 2014
Unfortunately there were no TV cameras near Contador, instead the first TV viewers knew of the incident was when the director cut to a bloodied Contador standing at the edge of a road, photographers swarming around him and the race medic applying a bandage to a badly cut right knee. There was a bike in the ditch, but it appeared to be Nicolas Roche's McLaren S-Works team bike, and Contador limped on for another 18km on another spare bike.
In the absence of of any evidence of what caused his crash, and the emergence of a photo of what appears to be his team bike snapped clean in two, speculation ran like wildfire through the social media network. We immediately contacted Specialized who have issued this response:
“Alberto crashed on a fast and straight part of the descent. He was reaching for his pocket and the bike was swept away under him probably because of a bump or hole in the road. Alberto was in the shape of his life and the entire team had our eyes fixed on the podium in Paris and the work we would have to do to get there”. -Bjarne Riis, Director Sportif, Tinkoff-Saxo
"Teammates were first to communicate the crash to the team car via race radio. Reports from Tinkoff-Saxo are saying their team car was passing closely to a Team Belkin vehicle and bikes on the roof racks became entangled between the two cars causing Alberto’s spare bike to be broken into two pieces. When a racer has a heavy crash, a mechanic will immediately provide a spare bike as a safety and performance precaution.
"As Alberto’s spare bike was destroyed, Nicolas Roche immediately offered his own race bike so that Alberto could continue the race. With the arrival of the second team car, Alberto was provided his own, secondary spare bike. Unfortunately after riding approximately 18km with what is now known to be a broken tibia, Alberto Contador was forced to abandon the 2014 edition of the Tour de France."
As we pointed out in our report last night though – the bike in the pictures clearly has Contador's race number on it – not Roche's and unless Roche was on a spare bike he is riding a McLaren Tarmac which has a completely different paint job.
But maybe Roche can is the best person to tell us what happened – at least in that initial crash. In his Independent blog posted early this morning he sheds some light on what actually happened.
"As I helped Alberto up, I noticed his bike was broken [we assume he means crash-damaged – ed] and there was a stream of blood coming from a gash just under his right knee. His wound looked pretty bad but as a rider, my natural instinct was to simply hand him my bike and encourage him to keep going.
"Take my bike Alberto! Go, go, go!"
"Nico, I don't know if I can," he said as he hobbled out onto the road.
"Go and see. Try it, just jump on the bike!"
"As Alberto took off gingerly on my bike, I waited at the side of the road watching what seemed like everybody in the race pass me by. There were cars and groups of dropped riders everywhere, so I held Alberto's broken bike in one hand and waved the other one frantically in the air, afraid the team car would drive past in the chaos."
It seems then that Roche was there when Alberto crashed, stopped and like the dutiful domestique he is, gave the Spaniard his own bike and then stood at the side of the road with Alberto's crash-damaged bike waiting for the Saxo-Tinkoff team car. The bike Roche was holding at that point was intact, as the live footage from the race shows quite clearly. It's a bit less clear in this still, but obvious from the feed.

When the team car stopped to give Roche a spare bike, Contador's crash-damaged bike was put on the top of the car and a short while later, maybe as one team car was trying to overtake the other, Contador's other spare bike on top of the car (Contador has a spare bike on each team car, three in total) got tangled up with the Bianchi atop the Belkin team car, causing the frame to snap.
This is the frame Contador crashed on and shoe courtesy of C Desimpelaere Tinkoff Head Mech #framegate pic.twitter.com/KfOHtoTNOH
— Richard Gorman (@richardgorman) July 14, 2014
Above is what appears to be a photo of the bike Contador actually crashed on, the bar tape is covered in mud, and it's clearly not broken. The brake lever hoods are both bent around, as you'd expect in such a high speed crash. There's also no front wheel here, that presumably might have been damaged too. No, Contador came out of the crash worse, his jersey covered in mud and a broken leg. So what of the broken frame photo that did the rounds on Twitter?
@TeamBelkin helps out with Contador's bike. pic.twitter.com/nslZaVfIvj
— Richard Keeskamp (@RichardKeeskamp) July 14, 2014
The photo above does actually show a Saxo-Tinkoff mechanic untangling a Specialized team bike from a Bianchi atop the Belkin team car, backing up the claim by Specialized that this was the cause of the broken frame. It had nothing to do with Contador's crash, it was a separate incident, but because events unfolded so quickly and dramatically in the race, many were led into making their own, inaccurate, conclusions.
That version of events makes sense, but there are still questions. For instance, Saxo-Tinkoff have publicly said that Contador's second bike was numbered up, which led to confusion when pictures of it in bits emerged. But as many people have pointed out, the broken bike has Contador's timing chip on it: Logic would dictate that it's the bike he started the race on as it's unusual for a spare bike to have a transponder on. That being said, it's not impossible and pictures of the Saxo-Tinkoff cars at the start show numbered bikes on the roof. Although we haven't seen a high-enough resolution image to check whether they have transponders too.
@wjohngalloway Crappy iPhone shot from Epernay stage start. Looks like AC's bike has number on it on top of car. pic.twitter.com/sOOSUHyjDl
— Dave IH (@daveih) July 15, 2014
On top of all that our friendly materials scientist Trevor Allen has been in touch. He's currently doing a PhD on impacting carbon structures, so he feels well qualified to have a look at the aftermath…
Ignoring all comments and speculation, quite a bit can be read into the picture of the broken bike. Failure analysis like this is a widely used, and experts are regularly involved in court cases.
Two tubes of the bike have failed (obviously):
At top end near the seat tube – this appears to be a tensile failure. The failure surface is quite complex due to the joins with the ST and stays. I suspect there is a mix of join failure and fibre failure in this location all rolled into one, but the key is tensile.
At the down tube – two points of interest: firstly the tube has failed at approximately 45 degrees to its axis. Unlikely a tensile failure, and torsion would be more of a rip – I suspect that is a compressive failure. Secondly the hawkeyed will also notice that the failure interacts with the bottle cage mount. This is will act as a stress concentration, and is possibly the initiation site of the DT failure.
So – tension at the top tube and compression at the down tube.
If you load a bike with a frontal impact – i.e. a horizontal load at the front axle – then you'd get just that: the fork is a long lever arm which will compress the down tube, and because of the rotation about the head tube junction you'll get tension in the top tube with failure occurring at the areas of highest stress.
I can't see how you could drive over a bike and cause that kind of failure of the tubes (why are the wheels and bottle cages intact and the tubes not crushed?). Dropping it from above your head when getting it off the car on to the front wheel would be the right load case, but I suspect the energy wouldn't be sufficient to cause that failure; having the rider on the bike increases the impact energy significantly because of the added momentum in the collision.
If I was asked to look at that bike in my job and guess how it failed, I'd definitely say a big load in from the front. Here are three ways that could happen:
1) A massive pothole with a fistful of last minute front braking (possibly, but not so convinced) or the crash which occurred after the pothole impact or indeed a combination of the two (some damage caused through pothole impact – then said damaged carbon with some delamination hurtles into a tree/verge etc causing a snap)
2) One car drives in to/closely past in same direction another car and two bikes on the racks collide. Contador's bike is likely to be on the outside, as it's just been racked.
3) The mechanic has bike ready for Contador and Belkin drive through (i.e kind of what is in the picture), the bike gets tangled in the rack and there is a convenient tree/verge to support the rear wheel. If this was the case the man holding the bike was pretty lucky he didn't get wedged too!
I don't think the snapped bike caused the fall. Nor do I think the bike snapping in a big crash is necessarily a bad thing.
Latest update
Foto desde el coche @lampre_merida q la bici de @albertocontador se rompió enganchanda, con el coche de Belkin. pic.twitter.com/vX36iUMV3G
— Joxean Fdez. Matxin (@Matxin_) July 15, 2014
This newly emerged photo provides a much better view of how the Specialized frame snapped as a result of becoming tangled with the Belkin team car rack. You can also see the bike clearly has a race number attached, and though it's not 100% possible to confirm, it does look like there is a transponder fixed to the chainstay. This is the most conclusive photo we have yet seen that shows how the frame suffered the damage, putting to rest the speculation that the frame snapped when he hit a pothole. At least for now…
This is one of the most bizarre incidents that we can recall in the Tour de France. Given the narrowness of the roads through the Vosges though and the team car racks bristling with spare bikes, it's a wonder it doesn't actually happen more often.
So, Contador's bike didn't snap underneath him, as many thought has happened, or snap when he crashed either. Saxo-Tinkoff's official version of events raises a few further questions but there's nothing in there that can't really be explained. The damage to the bike is inconclusive: given that driving it into another car on the rack, and riding into a pothole, are both a large frontal load, you'd expect either to result in the failure we see.
We wonder what Contador will make of all the fuss, but we're sure he's got more important things on his mind. We wish him a speed recovery.
Photo credit www.tinkoffsaxo.com





















73 thoughts on “So what really happened to Alberto Contador’s Specialized Tarmac yesterday at the Tour de France?”
Pr from spesh designed to
Pr from spesh designed to remould the cracked carbon with a polymer of obfuscation. They could be a bit worried that no one will spend 8 grand on a flimsy bit of tat that’ s conspiring to buck you.
I await a response from their legal team.
Got your tinfoil hat on?
Got your tinfoil hat on?
The photo of the Belkin team
The photo of the Belkin team car above, plus the fact that the broken frame doesn’t look like it’s been ridden in the wet, pretty much seal the deal for me.
Don’t suppose that will stop the conspiracy theorists though.
So they’ve got to you too
So they’ve got to you too 😀
Bertie’s broken bike looks
Bertie’s broken bike looks clean and unridden you would have thought the seat tube would be water splattered if it was the bike he fell from? 😕
Quote:The photo was of his
The photo of the broken bike has Contador’s number on it and perhaps most importantly his race transponder on the chainstay. As far as I’m aware a spare bike would have neither of these things.
Is it April Fools Day?
Is it April Fools Day?
Here’s a picture of the
Here’s a picture of the actual spare. No number, no transponder.
The only scenario that
The only scenario that explains all the facts for me:
Contador crashes, Roche stops and gives him his bike (this is why we see Roche on the coverage stopped just before we see Contador injured and why Contador has the McLaren when he’s being seen to by the docs)
Team stops by Roche and puts Contador’s first bike on the car, gives Roche a new bike.
Further down the road Bertie either crashes again or realises he needs medical attention and stops.
Team rushes to help and en route tangles with the Belkin car, breaking Bertie’s first bike (which explains the race number and transponder)
Team reaches Contador and gives him his spare bike, which he rides on with until abandoning.
No?
pirnie wrote:The only
Or…
Contador crashes, hits something (tree/kerb whatever) which totals the frame. Roche says Contador’s bike was broken at this point.
Contador pedals on for 2k on Roche’s McLaren before getting his knee bandaged and receiving his actual spare bike.
He then pedals on for 18k with a broken leg before abandoning.
It’s the only scenario that fits in with what Roche said happened, who was the only person there.
redmeat wrote:pirnie
Or…
Contador crashes, hits something (tree/kerb whatever) which totals the frame. Roche says Contador’s bike was broken at this point.
Contador pedals on for 2k on Roche’s McLaren before getting his knee bandaged and receiving his actual spare bike.
He then pedals on for 18k with a broken leg before abandoning.
It’s the only scenario that fits in with what Roche said happened, who was the only person there.— pirnie
Roche says “His bike was broken” If it wasn’t for all this talk of snapped frames we’d just assume this means not rideable (handlebars turned round, buckled wheel or something). Not a broken frame.
pirnie wrote:redmeat
Or…
Contador crashes, hits something (tree/kerb whatever) which totals the frame. Roche says Contador’s bike was broken at this point.
Contador pedals on for 2k on Roche’s McLaren before getting his knee bandaged and receiving his actual spare bike.
He then pedals on for 18k with a broken leg before abandoning.
It’s the only scenario that fits in with what Roche said happened, who was the only person there.— redmeat
Roche says “His bike was broken” If it wasn’t for all this talk of snapped frames we’d just assume this means not rideable (handlebars turned round, buckled wheel or something). Not a broken frame.— pirnie
But it could equally mean a snapped frame…
redmeat wrote:pirnie
Or…
Contador crashes, hits something (tree/kerb whatever) which totals the frame. Roche says Contador’s bike was broken at this point.
Contador pedals on for 2k on Roche’s McLaren before getting his knee bandaged and receiving his actual spare bike.
He then pedals on for 18k with a broken leg before abandoning.
It’s the only scenario that fits in with what Roche said happened, who was the only person there.— pirnie
Roche says “His bike was broken” If it wasn’t for all this talk of snapped frames we’d just assume this means not rideable (handlebars turned round, buckled wheel or something). Not a broken frame.— redmeat
But it could equally mean a snapped frame…— pirnie
I guess we’ll never know 👿
redmeat wrote:The photo of
Hate to break it to you but there isn’t a transponder on the snapped frame.
Or a broken handlebar, or a broken shifter, or a snapped derailleur, or a broken saddle.
A race leader will have at least three spare bikes split between the two cars – and it isn’t difficult to put a spare race number on the second bike in order to identify it more easily amongst the spares.
So “as far as you’re aware….”, you’re misinformed on all counts. Settle down, stop armchair commenting and let the details come out in due course.
Zee wrote:redmeat wrote:The
Hate to break it to you but there isn’t a transponder on the snapped frame.
Or a broken handlebar, or a broken shifter, or a snapped derailleur, or a broken saddle.
A race leader will have at least three spare bikes split between the two cars – and it isn’t difficult to put a spare race number on the second bike in order to identify it more easily amongst the spares.
So “as far as you’re aware….”, you’re misinformed on all counts. Settle down, stop armchair commenting and let the details come out in due course.— redmeat
Yes, there is. I’m not misinformed, and you’re blind.
redmeat wrote:Zee
Hate to break it to you but there isn’t a transponder on the snapped frame.
Or a broken handlebar, or a broken shifter, or a snapped derailleur, or a broken saddle.
A race leader will have at least three spare bikes split between the two cars – and it isn’t difficult to put a spare race number on the second bike in order to identify it more easily amongst the spares.
So “as far as you’re aware….”, you’re misinformed on all counts. Settle down, stop armchair commenting and let the details come out in due course.— Zee
Yes, there is. I’m not misinformed, and you’re blind.— redmeat
If you insist on playing conspiracy theory, there are three rednecks who swear they made a round trip flight in 1969, that I could point you towards.
edit. thanks for finding that picture by the way. Of a broken but clean bike. Frame and chain looking pristine. Say…. almost like it’s been freshly washed and placed on a roof rack rather than raced for 80k?
Zee wrote:redmeat wrote:Zee
Hate to break it to you but there isn’t a transponder on the snapped frame.
Or a broken handlebar, or a broken shifter, or a snapped derailleur, or a broken saddle.
A race leader will have at least three spare bikes split between the two cars – and it isn’t difficult to put a spare race number on the second bike in order to identify it more easily amongst the spares.
So “as far as you’re aware….”, you’re misinformed on all counts. Settle down, stop armchair commenting and let the details come out in due course.— redmeat
Yes, there is. I’m not misinformed, and you’re blind.— Zee
If you insist on playing conspiracy theory, there are three rednecks who swear they made a round trip flight in 1969, that I could point you towards.— redmeat
Ad hominem much?
You can see the transponder now I take it?
For the record I’m not suggesting that the frame failed causing the crash – as I said before I think the frame was totaled when it hit something, possibly a tree or whatever, as it slid down the road.
Quote:edit. thanks for
A broken and clean bike with number and transponder. Yeah, ok.
Here’s the previously mentioned pic of Gallopin on the final climb, another 100k into the race. His bike doesn’t look dirty either.
pirnie wrote:The only
That would make perfect sense BUT, the bike they claim Contador crashed on with the dirty handlebars has a race number and isn’t broken.
Nobody would be going on
Nobody would be going on about this if it was Canyon, all the Spesh haters want the bike to have snapped in two with Contador riding it so are determined to ignore the facts which disprove their theories. The snapped frame being clean on a wet day is about all the evidence you need that it wasn’t the bike Contador was riding.
IanRCarter wrote:Nobody would
Hitting the nail on the head.
IanRCarter wrote:Nobody would
There would be just as much speculation for any brand, apparent frame failure is big news. I ‘ve found the conspiracy theorists are only trumped in the rabid posting stakes as the overly defensive ‘Spesh’ fanboys who are sounding like the PS4 v Xbox One loons that defend their particular product like it’s their mum.
There’s a photo on cycling tips of Gallopin on the final climb, his bike looks spotless. so a clean looking bike isn’t really evidence.
We’ll never know the full truth. Specialized mixing up their stories has put paid to that.
IanRCarter wrote:Nobody would
There would be just as much speculation for any brand, apparent frame failure is big news. I ‘ve found the conspiracy theorists are only trumped in the rabid posting stakes as the overly defensive ‘Spesh’ fanboys who are sounding like the PS4 v Xbox One loons that defend their particular product like it’s their mum.
There’s a photo on cycling tips of Gallopin on the final climb, his bike looks spotless. so a clean looking bike isn’t really evidence.
We’ll never know the full truth. Specialized mixing up their stories has put paid to that.
Spare bikes are set up ready
Spare bikes are set up ready to race – transponders and race numbers attached. It’s also a very quick and easy way for the mechanic to identify the correct bike on the rack immediately.
As the car never crosses the finish line, the transponders never set off the detector so only that actual bike being raced gets recorded.
crazy-legs wrote:Spare bikes
I’m not sure why so many people are “liking” this post. Here’s a Trek team car from last Monday in Cambridge:

Note on the left Cancellara’s spare “Spartacus” Domane. I saw the race one out by the bus, numbered up with power meter etc.
Every spare bike on that car had a rider’s name on it (eg you can see Matthew Busche’s sticker on an Emonda). So it’s not as if they couldn’t put a race number on. But they don’t. There may be a rule about this?
IF Contador’s spare bike had
IF Contador’s spare bike had numbers and transponders (which is highly unlikely) they are the only team in the peloton doing it. The number I could just about believe but not the transponder.
Quote: Alberto Contador was
Really? Really??
Under the right conditions you can break any bike in half. I’d say a pro-level high speed descent/ditch interface is one of them. So is effectively attaching a bike to two cars and having them drive in opposite directions. Does it matter? Who cares?
Does anyone really give a s**t about his bike? The man has a broken leg! Is it right for all the closet equipment nerds/fascists to come out to air their conspiratorial ravings and obscure the fact that he’s really badly hurt?
Good luck to him, I hope he has a speedy recovery. Never mind the insane heroics of getting back on a bike and attempting to ride it with a broken leg.
Didonc wrote:Quote: Alberto
The guy rode HOW far with a broken/cracked leg? That’s superhuman…
i’m no fan of sinyards
i’m no fan of sinyards tactics, but this is bogus.
all i will say, is contador’s personal mechanic faustino muñoz builds all of his race machines with nokon cables. therefore, this is not his machine, or indeed a spare of his!
someone has got “creative”….
With all these spare bikes,
With all these spare bikes, do you think they could spare me a set of those nice ZIPP wheels? 😕
Maybe the alien tractor beam
Maybe the alien tractor beam that was pulling him along failed?
The only thing I’m surprised by in all the conspiracy theorising going on is that nobody has started complaining how much more dangerous this would be with disk brakes? Surely with how dangerous these apparently are in a crash he’d have lost the leg?
I’m not a fan of Bertie’s at all, in fact ever since the ‘tainted steak’ issues I’ve liked him less, but he’s a bloody hero for cycling 18k with a broken leg (and probably still a damn sight quicker than any of us could ride it intact)
“Roche was just behind and
“Roche was just behind and saw what had happened. He said the group was going so fast that while he slammed on the breaks immediately it took him around 50 metres to stop.
He said he ran back to Contador and as he did, saw the Spaniard’s bike was broken and blood everywhere from a gash just under his team leader’s right knee.”
http://t.co/AKIXllFyhr
Surely you don’t get much closer to the action than that (but don’t call me Shirley)
What most likely happened
What most likely happened given the facts ( conspiracy).
Facts: Contador has two crashes
There are 4 bikes:
1. Contandors race bike
2. Roaches orange McLaren bike
3. the new bike contador rides with a broken tibia, no race number.
4. The dirty handlebar bike
Crash one occurs because contador was sprinting to getting a better position in front of Gallopin but hit a pot hole. Bike 1 frame is broken by the impact.
Roache stops and gives contador bike 2.
Roache waits at the road side for a new bike while bike 1 is put on the rack of car.
Belkin and Tinkov cars go past each other with bike 1 coming off somehow. HOW? cars have wing mirrors so it’s hard to believe a well secured bike could fall off or touch a belkin bike. Unless bike 1 was already damaged when put onto the car so couldn’t be secured properly and had bits hanging over the side.
Meanwhile contador crashes badly on orange bike. Now we see contandor on TV, he gets on bike 3, the rest his history.
Now the PR machine at specialized go into damage limitation, they first claim the frame didn’t break, then they realize pics are out so start claiming one then two bikes were run over. Finally they mock up bike 4 as a last ditch attempt to show the bike contador crashed on wasn’t broken, but there was a broken bike when did that come from?
I hear you say what if contadors second bike had a race number on? Well bike 3 didn’t have a number on: http://wpmedia.sports.nationalpost.com/2014/07/alberto_contador-3.jpg?w=940&h=645
A non conspiracy theory
2
A non conspiracy theory
2 cars, 2 crashes, 4 bikes:
1. Contadors race bike
2. Contadors secondary bike also with numbers
3. Contdors third bike, no numbers
4. Roaches Bike
Initially
1. Contandor riding
2. On car 1
3. On car 2
4. Roach riding
Contadors first crash. Roach stops to give him his bike. Roach waits at the side of the road for another bike (unrelated).
1. On car 1 (stays like this until the end, the dirty bar bike)
2. On car 1
3. On car 2
4. Contador riding
Belkin Tinkov car collsion
1. On car 1
2. On car 1 (the snapped frame bike has damage caused).
3. On car 2
4. Contador riding
Contador crashes again or stops in pain. Riis gets out the first car. The second car stops with bike 3 given to contador
1. On car 1
2. On car 1
3. Contador Riding
4. On car 2
Contador Retires all the bikes are on cars.
1. Dirty handlebar bike
2. Frame broken due to car collision
3. Riden with broken leg
4. Mclaren super bike.
Case closed…
but why were mechanics ever holding the snapped frame bike on the road and why was it in 53*11 if it was on the car the whole time?
cub wrote:A non conspiracy
Maybe to make space on the roof rack for another bike? I’d imagine the snapped bike was a nightmare to secure…. Seemed to fit very conveniently in the boot in 2 pieces :p
cub wrote:but why were
Because it seems it had been pulled from the car and had to be untangled from the Belkin team car and their bikes:
pic.twitter.com/8Tz8uUNOlj
farrell wrote:cub wrote:but
You all read the article? Only ask cos that Belkin photo is up there in the article already
What a shame, that was
What a shame, that was looking like a top controversy in the making – just what we needed now there’s no doping to worry about. Here’s another thought, though – just in case you hadn’t spotted the culprit: If you look closely at the images when each of the big names have been dumped on the road you will see Wiggins hiding in the bushes with a catapult in his hand and a pea shooter behind his ear…
But who was on the grassy
But who was on the grassy knoll?
I am actually surprised that
I am actually surprised that more bikes in the TdF aren’t damaged while on top of cars.
I had one on the top of my car (my son’s race bike) and managed to damage it by being a nit and driving under a car park barrier. I went to the carbon repair guy thinking I was alone in this form of idiocy and he practically makes a living out of it. Car parks, low branches, bikes being dropped, badly secured.
As I say it’s surprising that it doesn’t happen more often.
I’m going to start another
I’m going to start another conspiracy. During the footage of Bertie being treated you see Riis remove Bertie’s white jacket. Riis then, with his hands behind his back, appeares to re wrap up the jacket into a tighter packet, before stuffing it into a bag on the floor! It’s almost as though Riis was trying to hide something in the jacket.
djpalmer32 wrote:I’m going to
Yes saw that to most odd 😕 B-) Yet again who should trust Riis!
Maybe this adds to the
Maybe this adds to the confusion…
+1 on that. I don’t think it
+1 on that. I don’t think it really adds to the confusion, though. It clears things up. If he did crash twice, it would appear that this image is of the “bad” crash (as confirmed by live television of the aftermath), and he clearly crashed on frame that wasn’t broken in half. I can’t fathom how he could have continued on in the race after the rumored first crash if he had crashed on the frame broken in two. That broken frame is not a “frame failure” break. That’s a hit-a-stationary-object-at-high-speed (and go straight to hospital) break, wrap-bike-and-body-around-tree break, or a bike-got-hit-by-Belkin frame break. The image of the broken frame clearly is not a break resulting from bad carbon layup or improper frame construction.
My take on it all…. Nico
My take on it all…. Nico says Bertie’s bike is broken after the initial crash. The Irish translation for this is “can be fixed with a bit of fettling and gives the grease monkeys something to do to while away they hours”. Now, if Nico said banjaxed or fecked after the first crash this is at the other end of the scale and means beyond use and to be flung into a skip after anything reusable has been stripped off. So following the subtle nuances of Irish speak, the first bike was temporarily out of action and the bike snapped in two occured after Bertie had stopped the 2nd time thinking the McLaren was playing up. In the confusion the driver drove over bike two therefore banjaxing it. Simples.
I hope Bertie heals up and there are no complications after having cycled 18k on a broken leg. I know what he’s going through having smashed my tibia and fibula back in March. The consultant said I did the right thing by not putting weight on it at the time.
Love a good conspiracy
Love a good conspiracy theory…
I replayed the coverage and you can work out where the broken frame timeline a bit more… Dunno if this adds to the confusion though.
Image 1: Contador’s legs pictured behind the broken frame.
Image 2: Different angle I screen captured. You can just see the broken frame in the guys hand in the bottom left of the image. (In video you can see it’s the bike). Watching the video onwards you can see he hands it to another team member from a team car up the road. He legs it up the road and shoves it in the boot of the other car, which is Image 3.
I do find it weird that the broken frame would be taken off another car at this point, to be shoved in the boot of the second team car.
Maybe because there wasn’t
Maybe because there wasn’t enough room in the other car. No?
gizgaz wrote:I do find it
The bike is in two pieces so the roof rack won’t physically hold it in place any more. Points of fixation are downtube (facked), rear wheel (fine-ish) and front fork QR (only fixed to back end of bike via gear+brake cables..so not great either).
So into the boot it goes to prevent the thing from bouncing down the mountain at the next hairpin.
edit. And that settles that ladies and gentleman. It’s been a pleasure.
It wouldn’t have happened if
It wouldn’t have happened if he’d not been wearing ahelmet. The helmet gave him a false sense of security you see.
Bert crashed. Is no longer in TdF. There’s a broken bike frame in Tinkoff colours with Bert’s number on it and a transponder. There are 3 teams on Specialized bikes. (With Cav’s withdrawal on stage 2, Hernandez Blazquez’ withdrawal on stage 6, and contadors withdrawal on stage 10, I calculate that means that Specialized bikes have a 99.6% (254/255) chance of finishing a grand tour stage without self destructing. I imagine this statistic will improve to the point where you can all relax about buying a Spesh by the time the TdF is finished. That’s even before taking into account other grand tours/events.
Why are they putting the bike in the boot – because having cracked in half, it now fits? And it’s probably dangerous to strap it to the roof because it will flop around as the frant half is no longer connected to the back half other than via the cables/chain.
Can we all just let this go now.
Why are they putting in the
Why are they putting in the boot? to prevent the millions of comments that would be attached to images of broken frames from getting more fuel!
Quote:We’ll never know the
This.
I know what I know and I believe what I believe. And as soon as the press come out and tell us about the carbon fibres entering Contador’s heart, we’ll all know the truth.
Recuperarte pronto Alberto.
I’m sure Lance Armstrong is
I’m sure Lance Armstrong is involved. Somehow. He has to be.
If anyone goes back through
If anyone goes back through the live coverage they’ll see that the bike which Roche is holding at the side of the road, a minute or so before we see Contador off the bike being treated, does not have a snapped frame and does have a race number. This is surely the original bike which Contador crashed on.
Sorry I don’t have the skills to upload a still of it. The footage shows it has a race number on but not which number, but this is surely the bike Roche is calling ‘broken’ and it is clear enough that the frame is intact.
it’s not great. but this is
it’s not great. but this is the point where roche is waiting for the team car after having given his bike to contador, who then crashes/stops on roche’s mclaren bike a bit further on. the bike is clearly not broken.
Dave Atkinson wrote:it’s not
Perhaps, perhaps not. I’ve seen helmets look fine after a crash until their owners take them off… and they come apart in pieces.
In the subsequent shots the bike (a bike) is clearly broken, but the two halves are still somewhat attached. It’s possible roche saw this, which is what we could be looking at here; a bike that looks in one piece that will come apart as soon as you lift it.
Equally it’s possible it was the spare bike on the top of the car that was hit by the Belkin bikes and snapped under the pressure.
Either way, it’s a simple fact of lfe that carbon fails, and when it does it fails catastrophically. Not that carbon has a monopoly on this; any lightweight bike will break, just not as dramatically if it’s made out of, say, steel.
For me, the hilarity in all of this is how stupidly asful Specialized’s PR department is. Apparently somebody in the USA saw the crash and started sending out the press releases without finding out the facts first. Morons.
To get into this as deeply as
To get into this as deeply as folk are getting into it can only mean people have way too much spare time.
Has no-one picked up on the
Has no-one picked up on the obvious safety issues here? If there are so many bikes on the roofs of team cars that they can collide with them on overtaking why aren’t the cars fitted with warning flags so that other cars don’t get too close? Something like this – http://www.copenhagenize.com/2009/07/retro-safety-and-clean-hubs.html (I haven’t seen one of these for ages though)
Gary Imlach had his grubby
Gary Imlach had his grubby paws on the broken bike and the allegedly crashed bike. Both had 31 numbers. ITV said the broken bike tangled with the Belkin car/bikes and was not crashed.
Face it conspiracy nuts if Contador had done that to a bike* then got up and pedalled on with a broken leg then he IS a superman and all is forgiven, clemmy steaks and all.
*but he didn’t so he isn’t.
bikeboy76 wrote:clemmy steaks
:))
Spectator caught this.
Spectator caught this. Apparently it was a strategically placed frame pump by a disgruntled Katusha rider not picked to ride the tour.
Yep – Specialized about to go
Yep – Specialized about to go full “Belov” on this one….
I Just Hope He’s Okay. So Sad
I Just Hope He’s Okay. So Sad he’s out.
next up: #giletgate
next up: #giletgate
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Dave Atkinson wrote:next up:
Solved: http://road.cc/content/classified/123750-limited-edition-tinkoff-saxo-team-edition-kit#
Forget his bike. i heard a
Forget his bike. i heard a report that he had two crashes. The second one being caused by his hand slipping off the bars? One thing I noticed during the ITV 4 highlights end credits is that he clearly had gloves on when he was changing his shoes but he later was riding his bike without gloves. Just made me wonder if this was a contributing factor in this second crash.
….if indeed he had a second crash!
The photo of the Belkin car
The photo of the Belkin car with Alberto’s broken spare bike interlocked with Team Belkin spares seems pretty convincing.
Just to keep the story alive though, Nicolas Roche today wrote in his Indo column about the crash:
Roche was there before any one else, before any team car. Curious, isn’t it? It’s not impossible that the bike was broken before it hit the Belkin car. 😉
Oops, that was yesterday’s
Oops, that was yesterday’s column, and in today’s column Roche says that by “broken” he meant the gear lever and dérailleur – not the frame. So, no contradiction. 🙂
Paul J wrote:Oops, that was
As I said yesterday. When an Irishman says something is broken he means it can be fixed. When it’s banjaxed there’s no hope. The great Nico never said banjaxed at the first crash.
Paul J wrote:The photo of the
yes it is, because the live feed clearly shows Roche waiting with an intact bike, as outlined above.
And ‘Bollixed’ could be
And ‘Bollixed’ could be either way, often dependent on the preceding words.
At the end of the day- carbon
At the end of the day- carbon is a wonder material! Light, responsive and engineered to different demands!
But if you are not a sponsored pro or very well heeled amateur how many buyers can differentiate between the manufacturer’s descriptions – high modulus carbon fibre etc. etc, Rely on magazine reviews?
Metals-steel, aluminium and titanium have highly specified properties.
The reality appears to be that that Carbon Fibre is also a fragile material, not just on team car bike racks but also for everyday use!.
crazy cats
This is stupidity. How many purchasers of metal frames go off and look up the properties of the metal that goes into their frames? And why are manufacturers of metal bikes more trustworthy than those who manufacture carbon frames?
All of you flat earth luddites who think that a broken carbon frame signifies the arrival of the four horsemen of the apocalypse, you are correct, this is ragnarok, the end of days!
(Also – does anyone really think that Roche actually wrote the article that was attributed to him? He might have spent some time on the phone with his ghost writer, but most likely the ghost writer had to make do with an email and some twitter.)
Should have had a
Should have had a RoofScope.co.uk on the cars!