A Conservative MP has called for the government to make wearing a helmet while cycling a legal requirement, and argued that if mandatory safety measures are acceptable for motorists, they “should surely be acceptable for cyclists”.
Mark Pawsey, the MP for Rugby, has introduced a compulsory cycle helmet bill into the House of Commons, due for a second reading in November, following a campaign led by one of his constituents, Oliver Dibsdale.
In 2015, the then-teenage Dibsdale suffered a serious brain injury after falling from his bike. Pawsey told the Commons today that the cyclist was informed by doctors at the time “that had he been wearing a helmet he may still have sustained an injury, but that it would have been far less severe”.
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The MP continued: “He bitterly regrets his decision on that particular occasion to ride without a helmet. He has spoken to me in a very moving way about the impact that his injuries have had on his family, the guilt that he feels for the amount of time they have had to spend caring for him, and he very much wants to help other families avoid this fate, and this Bill will achieve this aim.
“Oliver makes the point that it will be far easier for parents to insist that their children wear a helmet if it becomes a legal requirement. He finds it extremely frustrating whenever he sees cyclists on the road without helmets, because from his personal experience he knows all too well the risk that they are taking.”
Addressing concerns that a mandatory bike helmet law would be difficult to enforce, Pawsey said: “While it would certainly create an additional burden on the police, it doesn’t strike me as being particularly difficult to enforce in comparison with other offences.
“If mandatory safety measures are acceptable for car drivers, they should surely be acceptable for cyclists. Now we know that cyclists are the most vulnerable road users.”
> Cyclists wearing helmets seen as “less human” than those without, researchers find
The MP also recounted in the Commons today that, during a recent family holiday, he initially declined a helmet while renting a bike. Pawsey claims that the person serving him “then looked me in the eye and asked me, ‘Just how many brains have you got, sir?’”
Pawsey’s Road Safety (Cycle Helmets) Bill is listed for a second reading on 24 November, but is unlikely – even if it were to achieve the required support in the chamber – to become law due to a lack of parliamentary time.
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Of course, Pawsey’s proposed piece of legislation isn’t the first time that compulsory bike helmets have been a topic of debate in parliament.
In December, the Department for Transport insisted that the government has “no intention” of making helmets mandatory, following a question from the Conservative MP for Shropshire constituency The Wrekin, Mark Pritchard.
In response to the MP’s question, minister of state for the department Jesse Norman said the matter had been considered “at length” during the cycling and walking safety review in 2018.
Norman, himself the Tory MP for Hereford and South Herefordshire, also added that while the Department for Transport “recommends that cyclists wear helmets”, the “safety benefits of mandating cycle helmets are likely to be outweighed by the fact that this would put some people off cycling”.
This latest attempt by an MP to reintroduce the ‘helmet debate’ into the Commons also comes in the same week that a new study from Australia – where helmet wearing is mandatory – found that an alarming number of motorists view cyclists wearing helmets and other safety gear as “less human”.
Of the 563 people surveyed for the study, conducted by Mark Limb of Queensland University of Technology and Sarah Collyer of Flinders University, 30 percent considered cyclists less than fully human, while cyclists with helmets were perceived as less human compared to those without, while cyclists with safety vests and no helmets were perceived as least human.
“Our findings add to this growing research, suggesting that cyclists wearing safety attire, particularly high-visibility vests, may be dehumanised more so than cyclists without safety attire,” the study concluded.





















72 thoughts on ““If mandatory safety measures are acceptable for car drivers, they should surely be acceptable for cyclists”: MP calls for cycling helmets to be made mandatory”
Mandatory helmets make
Mandatory helmets make cycling less popular and less safe
Mandatory helmets make cycling less popular and less safe
Mandatory helmets make cycling less popular and less safe
Mandatory helmets make cycling less popular and less safe
Mandatory helmets make cycling less popular and less safe
Mandatory helmets make cycling less popular and less safe
Mandatory helmets make cycling less popular and less safe
Mandatory helmets make cycling less popular and less safe
Mandatory helmets make cycling less popular and less safe
And there is the problem.
And there is the problem. Mandatory seat belts and helmets for motorcyslist should not exist either. The fact that they may sive lives is irrelevant. It is s no ones business if I hurt myself and anyone thinking otherwise needs to mind their own flaming business. “ah but think about the cost to the country” you may say. If that was an issue then other things would also be banned.
I feel sorry for the person involved but they should mind their own business.
mattsccm wrote:
Mandatory seat belts for motorcyslist are just silly, I agree.
But what about byclist or
But what about byclist or tryclist?
Whilst the jury (for me) is
Whilst the jury (for me) is still out on motorcycle helmets, the use of seatbelts is, unfortunately, everyone’s business.
Without them the number of fatal road accidents will increase significantly, as they are designed to address a specific issue, namely passengers being thrown through the windscreen in head on collisions.
Fatal road accidents are terribly costly to society as a whole, both in the immediate disuption caused by road closure, but in the ongoing costs of the inevitable investigation.
Jimmy Ray Will wrote:
It is likely that the number of fatal road collisions would not change or would decline if seat belts were banned, and unlikely that they would increase.
Fatal collisions are indeed a terrible cost to society, and we should be doing everything possible to prevent them, but seatbelts don’t do that, they merely make surviving a collision more likely for the car occupants, while increasing the risk for the most vulnerable road user. We need to reduce collisions, and making them more survivable for the car occupants does not do that, and probably makes them more likely. Repeated yet again: the safest car has no seatbelts, air bags, crumple zones etc, but it has a rusty 14″ bayonet sticking out of the steering wheel.
eburtthebike wrote:
This needs repeating more often!
Most would be driven safely and the ones driven dangerously would eventually take care of the problem for us.
It may take care of the
It may eventually take care of the reckless ones but since they are risk takers with no expectation of things going wrong, it would not reduce their risky behaviour.
I understand the notion that
I understand the notion that the safer you make an activity, the less regard to safety the participant will give, but I do feel the seatbelt situation is slightly different.
Belts were brought in as there was a distinct problem that needed addressing; the reality is that to avoid going through the windscreen you would need to be driving at under something like 20mph. Motorists are understandly unwilling to do this. It’s also worth remembering that the majority of road collisions do not include vulnerable road users.
Now… looking at other motoring safety measures I’m totally with you… for every action, there is a reaction that negates most if not all potnetial benefits.
Jimmy Ray Will wrote:
No it isn’t. Risk compensation applies to any and every safety measure as far as I know, including seat belts.
Mandatory seatbelts have been
Mandatory seatbelts have been proven to safe lives. Helmets have not been proven to make it safer for cyclists. No point making something mandatory if it has no scientific evidence to support the claim it will reduce casualties
Off the back wrote:
While your second statement is true, the first isn’t. Seat belts don’t save lives overall, they just transfer the risk to other people, especially motorcyclists, cyclists and pedestrians
Seatbelts save lives. That is
Seatbelts save lives. That is a fact. Its been researched plenty – That is where the difference is. There are thousands of people still alive today because their seatbelt worked as it should. There is not as much data on helmets other than anecdotal evidence to suggest they do.
Off the back wrote:
The data shows that seat belts do save the lives of the people who wear them, but they increase the risk for other people, especially pedestrians, cyclists and motorcyclists, and the overall death rate does not fall. All this was in the research (the Isles Report) done for parliament before they voted on compulsory seat belts, but even though it was finished well before the vote, it was never published.
As had been said many times before, the safest car would have no seatbelts, no air bags, no crumple zones and a 14″ rusty bayonet in the middle of the steering wheel.
Much of the stuff done for road safety has been a failure and have approached the problem from the wrong perspective, improving survivability but not reducing the propensity to crash.
The post law accident rates
The post law accident rates completely failed to back this up of course but, for some unknown reason, your usual enthusiasm for ‘real world, long term’ data is not quite so ardent in this particular situation…
As I posted earlier seat
As I posted earlier seat belts are not mandatory you can buy an old sports car that can do well over 100mph that requires no seatbelts or roll bar so get your facts right about them being mandatory
If the right honerable
If the right honerable gentleman can point to any country which has introduced mandatory helmet laws resulting in a reduction in head injuries (other than by corresponding with a reduction in bicycle use) then he should have no trouble convincing his colleagues in parliament.
The fact remains that the countries with low helmet usage are safer for cyclists than the ones with mandatory laws. Since cyclist safety is his primary concern then why is he not pushing for Dutch/Danish/Belgian cycle infrastructure?
If someone trips and smacks their head on the ground or gets hit by a car when crossin ghte road (or on the pavement) no one calls for pedestrian helmets.
Mandatory or not, PPE is
Mandatory or not, PPE is wayyyy down the list of effective risk controls.
Too true. The problems we all
Too true. The problems we all faced are solved through eliminating hopeless, unskilled chancers who drive motor vehicles, as this road user group is by far the most deadly.
But if you use the ALARP
But if you use the ALARP model, you swap that all around, What is the cheapest method? Its buying a helmet where removing the hazard completely costs – ie making seperate infrastrucutre like protected cycle lanes. therefore removing the motor vehicle hazard. And thats how it works in the real world. You cant make 100% safe cycling infrastructure you can only make it safer with whatever resources you can afford. And most councils dont have the cash to even if they wanted to (which they dont cos they hate us)
In this case the “cheapest
In this case the “cheapest method” is free – it’sactually “do nothing” eg. as you suggest cyclists can buy their own helmets. Close to zero cost for the LA!
If you just look at “reducing injury to cyclists” building infra probably seems disproportionate. That’s because there aren’t many cyclists… perhaps it would be proportionate to spend a bit of cash discouraging the remaining cyclists – that would reduce injury… (We’ve actually done this anyway – as a byproduct of promoting mass motoring).
And yet there is increasingly detailed evidence that building a network of adequate quality cycle infra gives you a return on that cash, while our mass motoring is a net drain on everyone’s money.
Proposing increasing active travel – never mind mass cycling – is a multi-level change. Each level can present convincing reasons why moving away from the status quo will cost money / isn’t their job.
I’m not sure you fully
I’m not sure you fully understand ALARP. It’s not about the cheapest method. It’s about reducing risk as far as possible, until you get to a point where you’re spending ridiculous amounts of money for negligible benefit. That cost v return part is the “Reasonably Practible” part of ALARP.
KDee wrote:
^^this – if it doesn’t have to work properly, I can do it as cheaply as you want…
Oh good grief: Seatbelts and
Oh good grief: Seatbelts and airbags and crumple zones are not comparable to polystyrene helmets, in my opinion…
(edit) Wait until eburt comes online…
brooksby wrote:
I’m here!
MP? Is that how ‘dimwit’ is
MP? Is that how ‘dimwit’ is spelled these days ?
marmotte27 wrote:
What do you mean, these days? Folks have been laughing at their corruption and idiocy since Parliament began! Same everywhere: “Reader, imagine you are an idiot. Imagine you are a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.” (Mark Twain)
You see what they’re doing,
You see what they’re doing, don’t you?
Combine this story with the story that says helmet (and hi-vis) wearing cyclists are seen as less than human and you realise its not about safety – they want drivist to remove the cycling pests from the roads.
Is this the right show?
Is this the right show?
That’s the one.
That’s the one.
Philip Jay Simpson blocking out the voices with a tin foil hat.
Interesting side note I was informed of a while ago – “tin foil” is no longer tin, but aluminium, which actually amplifies signals, so donning a tin foil hat to stop “them” reading your thoughts actually helps them….
It is a tribute to the
It is a tribute to the serious failure of our electoral system that so many MPs are willing to try to get a compulsory helmet bill passed. None of them appear to have done the most basic research, relying on anecdote, opinion and “common sense”. Things like not bothering to ask the cyclists’ organisations what they think of it, or what happened elsewhere when they brought in a law.
The fact that so many have tried and failed before him should have given Mark Pawsey a clue that things weren’t quite as simple as he’s being told, but like most tories, he’s clueless: and hopefully will soon be seatless.
Hot on the heels of the two reports about the government failing to meet its modest targets for cycling and helmets making cyclists less human to drivers, this idiot’s proposal is so exquisitely timed, and a possible contender for the “Foot-in-Mouth” award 2023.
eburtthebike wrote:
It’s a vote winner from the motoring lobby.
“If they are wearing hlmets then we can knock them off and they won’t be hurt”.
“if they are not wearing helmets, then, it’s their fault”
The first thing you learn from doing a bit of research is that helmet laws will lead to fewer cyclists on the roads – another good thing.
Define “so many”. Scary
Define “so many”. Scary headlines to the contrary this has zero chance of becoming law.
Given the sh!tshow we
Given the sh!tshow we currently live in, the fact of even a single MP thinking this proposal is a good use of their time and energy absolutely beggars belief…
Given that many must be
Given that many must be considering the possibility that they could be leaving the house in the near future due to their party falling from favour, why not? I could see motivation for MPs to worry even less about the country, or even their party. Get some more local support, focus on things which play well to core supporters. Worthwhile even if you have 5 years off…
Perhaps some politicians are
Perhaps some politicians are indifferent or even against their own policies. They’re merely doing it to get votes or for some other reason.
Secret_squirrel wrote:
Four or five: I’ve lost count.
But going by his logic
But going by his logic mandatory cycle helmets would mean mandatory drivist helmets, and for passengers and indeed for pedestrians.
About seven times the number
About seven times the number of pedestrians are killed falling down stairs in the UK than cyclists killed in road accidents, every year – it should be compulsory for pedestrians to wear crash helmets.
It does look a bit like “if
It does look a bit like “if it saves one life…” there, indeed. Unless the whole is being presented with supporting studies and rate data etc.?
Better to give a sensible answer to a silly question though. Even if it’s just a dismissal by Jesse Norman e.g. “we looked at this recently and we’re not going back again”.
Oddly enough one a Dutch safety research group has been having a go recently. They make a much better case for extra encouragement. I don’t think they’ve connected *all* the dots – I don’t think all the data sets can be related. Their lengthy report is interesting though – they do look at rates of head injuries specifically. They also point out that the greatest cause of casualties there are “single vehicle collisions” – crashing bikes or simply no / low speed falls – e.g. exactly the kind of incident where helmets can best mitigate consequences.
In the UK I believe – for fatal outcomes at least – crashes involving cyclists and motor vehicles outnumber those where there wasn’t any other party (e.g. see PACTS report from 2020). Of course there are a couple of other differences with NL…
`People drown in the bath :
`People drown in the bath : if only everyone wore a life jacket!
The fact is :- that life is risky, and we accept this as part of living. We cannot remove all risks.
The problem is :- that vulnerable road users are put at risk as the price society pays for motorists convenience when this is largely unnecessary.
I mean, other than the fact
I mean, other than the fact that a car has protection built in. Multiple airbags, crumple zones, seatbelts, seatbelt pretensioners, and if relatively modern forward collision detection and automatic braking, then yeah your nonsensical point stands. Not to mention those driving as a sport where these devices are not present do wear helmets. Sure.
With all these safety
With all these safety features motorists drive even more irresponsibly as they are convinced that they are safe. I would challenge them to drive in a 1970’s Mini in the same way they drive a 2020 Mini. There’s no way that will happen.
And yet still more car
And yet still more car occupants will die from head injuries than cyclists.
Driver helmets really do work
https://thesportsrush.com/f1-news-how-much-do-f1-helmets-weigh-why-are-modern-f1-helmets-safe/
Only because far more people
Only because far more people drive cars than ride bikes.
The stats for The Netherlands, unsurprisingly, show more cyclists than drivers suffering head injuries.
If it saves one life ..
If it saves one life ..
Which is the mps “argument”
Perhaps this could be another
Perhaps this could be another data point for our old friend risk compensation? 😉
There can be lots of cycling in NL only because people feel it’s a safe, normal activity *.
Because cycling doesn’t feel like a dangerous, potentially consequential activity they treat it casually and don’t see the need for extra safety gear.
Bit like how operating a motor vehicle in the UK is normalised.
(Only in that case the risk to those *outside* the vehicle is also raised. Risk from motorists being lowered in the UK because other modes have been literally driven off the roads. Although they’re likely raised as cars end up being driven on pavements and indeed into houses…)
* Yes, there are other reasons e.g. convenience, “everyone else is doing it” etc.
I’m all in favour of
Mandatory safety measures for cyclists? I’m all in favour; reason says they should target the source of the danger rather than the victim. So let’s start with a [b]mandatory [/b]minimum 1.5m overtaking clearance up to 30mph, 2m above that speed. We could also mandate the creation of safe cycling infrastructure. And so on.
The MP’s argument – as set
The MP’s argument – as set out in the headline – is the logical fallacy which underlines so much of the anti-cyclist car-centric narrative in this country. Bicycles are not cars. Therefore, the argument “motorists have to do it, so why shouldn’t cyclists” is illogical. It’s the same basis as the “road tax” and compulsory insurance arguments.
I was going to post the same
I was going to post the same !
“It’s not fair”
Since when are the safety
Since when are the safety measures acceptable for car drivers?
Most play with their phones while driving, many don’t wear the seatbelt unless they see cops, most do not look before opening the door, most do not respect the distance between vehicles, most station and park their vehicles illegally, most have no respect for any kind of safety of anyone, not even themselves.
Much as I like your rant –
Much as I like your rant – your seat belt point is not born out by the stats… Most drivers and passengers do wear seat belts.
And the use of “most” liberally in your post exaggerates the problems you list.
I state from what I see from
I state from what I see from the bike saddle, every day…
@Săndel
@Săndel
Here in the UK I wouldn’t say *most* drivers ignore rules about parking on pavement/sidewalk, wearing seatbelts, driving *far*too* close, using phones *all*the time, *excessively* speed all the time etc.
I would say there’s a significant minority who do some of these things regularly.
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I’d hope the focus is on
I’d hope the focus is on mandatory and as Steve K points out the logical fallacy of equates a 10kg bike with a 1.8T car.
But roughly 100kg of bike
But roughly 100kg of bike with rider and baggage
Do you have no mass in a car
Do you have no mass in a car and it has no fuel?
If you add the usual bullshit
If you add the usual bullshit form the likes of ktache, sure mate.
He was taking a bs argument
He was taking the bs argument and applying it to other situations.
It’s not an evidence based approach by the MP.
This accident was caused by
This accident was caused by his foot slipping off the pedal. You could just as well argue for compulsory clipless pedals to prevent a future occurrence. Also, this incident happened on Hillmorton High Street, which appears to be a fairly busy road with no cycling infrastructure – was this a contributing factor?
A very sad and unfortunate freak accident, that I’m sure the individual concerned would not want to happen to anyone else, so I can fully understand their view. In this particular case, a helmet may have helped reduce the severity of the injury.
However, the wider implications for compulsory helmet wearing are well known to outweigh the benefits.
I new a woman who slipped on
I new a woman who slipped on the small set of concrete steps outside her house – she hit her head and died. Perhaps non-slip footwear should be mandated.
Mandatory pedestrian helmets
Mandatory pedestrian helmets too.
Well – in fairness, for a
Well – in fairness, for a motorist to see me as “less human” he has to have at least seen me – which would be a good start! budum chi!
True that.
True that.
Going by the MP’s thought
Going by the MP’s thought processes, he’s lacking in the brain department.
I wear a helmet, but that’s
I wear a helmet, but that’s habit and spousal pressure, what I do find is that is gives me confidence, totally false, when hitting 40mph downhill. If it becomes mandatory it will be interesting to see what the punishment for non compliance will be.
Aren’t helmets tested to
Aren’t helmets tested to withstand an impact at around 20mph?
I would gladly wear a helmet if black boxes were fitted to cars limiting them to 20mph. Surely this is the only way to prevent an incident and make mandatory helmets useful
alansmurphy wrote:
The relative velocity between the helmet and an object (e.g. ground) is not related to the relative speed between a wearer and another vehicle. A high relative speed can be present even if a collision occurs at low speeds, or even without a vehicle or other 3rd party at all (and vice versa).
alansmurphy wrote:
From https://www.rospa.com/rospaweb/docs/advice-services/road-safety/cyclists/cycle-helmets-factsheet.pdf
About 12 mph into a
About 12 mph into a stationary object.
It’s only about 17 mph for a Formula 1 helmet.
This is so typical of car
This is so typical of the car centric persons thoughts in that they forget that drivers are not the only people in a car. Everything is a burden on the poor driver.
Just a wee reminder that seat belts are not just for drivers…It’s almost delivered like a joke with a punchline, makes me shiver everytime I watch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKHY69AFstE