Nigel Farage, the career politician who has built a large part of that career on railing against career politicians, has found a new target for his rage – penning an article for the Mail on Sunday which drags out pretty much every tired, old and incorrect cliché brought to bear against cyclists, and then some.
From cyclists not being required to pay “road tax” – something no motorist has done since it was abolished in 1937 – through to calling for bike riders to be licensed (itself, together with mandatory third party liability insurance a UKIP policy in its 2010 general election manifesto), the former MEP’s tirade ticks pretty much every box on the anti-cycling bingo card.
“Cycling used to be an innocent childhood pastime,” but is now “an exploding craze, a macho, high-speed hobby bringing town-centre traffic to a stop and turning the roads near my home into a velodrome,” insists Farage, with country lanes “commandeered by self-righteous platoons of middle-aged men in tight-fitting costumes.”
Central London’s streets (where cyclists, of course, are more likely to be riding for transport or for work rather than as a “hobby”) are compared to those of “Peking or Amsterdam,” with Farage claiming that “When I stop at traffic lights, cyclists surround me like a strange swarm of insects.”
If you had cycling being suitable only for children, people on bikes causing congestion, country lanes being turned into velodromes, comparisons with cities abroad, and dehumanising language on your bingo card, you may well be halfway to completing it.
If you don’t, fear not – there’s plenty of other fallacies about cyclists and cycling in the Mail on Sunday article, all just as easy to refute with just a little research.
“Many completely ignore the rules of the road – that much is well established,” for example, even though research has shown that motorists are more likely to break the law, and with potentially much more harmful consequences.
“When they break the law, they should be prosecuted like the rest of us,” is another one, and yes, it does happen – but stretched police resources are focused on other, higher priority areas such as motorists, who are responsible for the vast majority of deaths or serious injuries on Britain’s roads.
In response to a trial of segregated cycle lanes in Southsea, “Shop owners, already struggling, believe it will kill business dead,” even though studies repeatedly show that people visiting high streets by bike (or on foot for that matter) use local shops more frequently than motorists do, and over time, spend more money there.
“For much of the day these new bike lanes with their endless lines of shiny white posts lie empty while traffic jams block what is left of the roads,” even though cycle lanes lying empty simply reflects that they are very efficient at transporting people, much more so than roads given over to congested motor traffic.
“What about those who, like the disabled, depend on vehicles to get about?” asks Farage, ignoring – or ignorant – of the fact that for many, a bicycle is a mobility aid.
And so it goes on, with an obligatory mention of a “war on motorists” that is “an affront to democracy, introduced without consultation or clarity for purposes which organisations like Transport for London are yet to disclose.”
Ah, yes. We were lacking a conspiracy theory.
Cyclists using cameras to film poor and all to often dangerous drivers are described as “pedalling policemen [who] wear helmet cameras to film their journeys, spying on cars in case their drivers dare to touch a mobile phone while sitting at a red light,” even though many police forces actively encourage road users – whether in the saddle or behind the wheel – to submit such footage.
You get the idea, although Farage does toss in one that we haven’t come across before, when describing the “looks of shock” he gets from cyclists when they see him walking near his home – “the vast majority,” he assures us, “are Remainers.”
“Perhaps this helps to explain my prejudice,” he adds. “I simply don’t like them and wish they weren’t here.”
Many would argue that Farage is best ignored, and of course it is tempting to do just that, in much the same way that on Friday, many US news networks cut away from his friend President Trump when he once again falsely claimed to have won re-election.
But as we’ve said before when reporting on anti-cyclist claims from the likes of motoring presenter Jeremy Clarkson, or the self-styled Mr Loophole lawyer Nick Freeman, we feel it’s important that they do get challenged on their claims – something that those media outlets given them an influential platform to express their views, which many accept without questioning them seem unable – or unwilling – to do.





















66 thoughts on “Nigel Farage forges new career as anti-cycling bingo caller”
“Perhaps this helps to
“Perhaps this helps to explain my prejudice,” he adds. “I simply don’t like them and wish they weren’t here.”
Didn’t he say the same about Romanians once? And then got all high and mighty when someone called him a racist idiot?
(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27459923 if you are interested)
A quick look at the state of
A quick look at the state of the roads during half-term would suggest that a considerable number of daytime journeys are not as essential as motorists would have us believe.
A quick look at the state of
A quick look at the state of the roads today on my commute (as an essential worker), would suggest that lockdown isn’t actually locking down that many people. The roads and motorway around my area are just as busy as they have been over the last few weeks.
Farage, Clarkson, Freeman,
Farage, Clarkson, Freeman, Mail, Express, Sun- all malevolent rubbish.
its making me sad now simon.
its making me sad now simon. I was angry earlier when i saw it published. I knew he had previously written about ”hoardes of lycra cyclists” in his home area during the first lock down, but id never have put him for being that far on the hatred side.
The road tax argument- anyone who still uses that has to state why nissan leaf drivers do not pay it and are allowed to sit two abreast in front of a driver who has paid 400 pounds in VED. So a non paying leaf driver is perfectly acceptable in farage’s eyes to sit in front of his car in town, but slow him to a complete stop? Why the difference then? That reasoning allows me to ride side by side with a friend in front of his car and completely stop.
Empty bike lanes cause congestion?
Explain then. How exactly does a bike lane CAUSE cars to be alongside it? It didnt just appear and force the cars to become alongside it did it.
I see many videos of holland with very used bicycle lanes running alongside major roads without an issue. Explain how it can be the fault of a bike lane in england then that the motor traffic is not moving?
The bike lane is empty, either, people who wanted to use it did so and have now reached work or their destination. In the same way, there are very remote country roads i ride to that are empty of cars. But i dont presume that car drivers never use them. Just that they arent there at the current moment i am.
In the same way how clarkson attacked the bike lane for the traffic, they both need to realise, the car is NOT king and will not be allowed to dominate towns and cities in the future. It does not work. Out of town, motorways and fast b roads, yes, mostly cars work perfectly well there.
They don’t work in town roads and cities though. Not as they keep getting bigger and bigger. They still have the same problem, four wheels cannot get around in a tight space. If you cannot get around in a tight space, you get stuck.
Look at how humans act in town centres on foot. If you come up behind an old lady in the street, do you just walk very closely behind her? Yell at her to move over? Or do you simply go around her when theres room? The latter of course, because that is how manourverability works. The road is the same.
Humans can dart around eachother in congested high streets and do so.
Cars cant do that. They havent got the ability to. This means they line up in order and progress ever more slowly. Nothing to do with bike lanes.
Meanwhile, cyclists and motorbikes can dart around, left, right, in circles, thus never really get stuck on the road network. Bikes are more similar to humans, in their moving around way.
Cars are not like us, thus get stuck, making the owners and drivers of them ever more upset once they realise they are not in control of this vehicle any more and getting it to their destination. Anything percieved to be slowing it and them down is therefore the problem[ ie, empty bike lane takes away space for MY car and MY journey].
If the car cannot make the journey as fast as you want to, then you’ll just have to realise, other people are not the cause of your slow progress, thats to mr farage and clarkson, YOU are. You chose to drive a car. Other people didnt.
If you need to drive a car, fine, go for it. But don’t try to pin the blame on congesting solving bike lanes, cyclists or other people. We can all move around on the road network fine. If you CAN’T, work out the reason WHY you can’t before submitting your rant to the DM and getting ”likes” from people who most probably are unemployed or retired and fat[ the majority of the commenters on DM must be one of these two plus the latter].
Basically, bikes work and are sustainable, cars aren’t, deal with it.
a video of me being forced to ride at 15 mph in a 60 zone because of a line of cars all sat two abreast, demonstating my point. So farage and clarkson are perfectly ok to sit in lines in other cars like this, driving very very slowly, not even walking pace in this clip, but if they follow a cyclist or people in groups cycling? Fair game, lets rant about them being in the way! Hey farage and clarkson, YOU’RE IN MY WAY IN THE GOD DAMN VIDEO!!! YOU GET IN MY WAY EVERY SINGLE DAY!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNe6VTcK2Gk
Farage the grifter, the man
Farage the grifter, the man whose hypocrisy knowns no bounds.
Trying exit the EU whilst taking their wages and big fat pension pot, all whilst not attending sessions for his constituents.
Shilling for Trump, including breaking travel restrictions.
Sucking at Bank’s teat, who’s a proxy for Putin.
Is there anywhere that wouldn’t be better off without him? He’s probably done more to destabilise the UK than any other person alive today, with the possible exception of Dominic Cummings.
And now he’s an anti-masker. I bet he wears one when it suits him to.
Gammon’s gonna gammon. This
Gammon’s gonna gammon. This fucking reptile is seeking to keep himself on the gravy train somehow now that he’s got no paymaster in the US and the Brexit gravy train has dried up for him. He’ll end up writing regularly for one of these cumrags, spewing out his bile and hate for fun and profit.
Stop giving this cretin the oxygen of publicity. The people he talks to will never listen to reasoned exposition of the lies he spouts, don’t waste your time or energy attempting to educate them.
. Stop giving this cretin the
Fixed that for you
the little onion wrote:
Fixed that for you— Zebulebu
Excellent, remiscent of the late great Linda Smith: “They shouldn’t be given the oxygen of publicity. Or the oxygen of oxygen.”
“commandeered by self
“commandeered by self-righteous platoons of middle-aged men in tight-fitting costumes”
well you can’t fault him for this one :-).
While Farage is truly a vile specimen, just to play devils advocate here, to assume that all cyclists are innocent saints going about their business is just as much a generalization as drivers thinking all cyclists are bad. I’ve experienced plenty of inconsiderate and rule flouting bicycle riders that reinforce this us vs them mentality.
Blackthorne wrote:
I’m not sure that the actions of one person using a particular mode of transport gives you “a reason to take out [your] frustrations” on every other person you meet who’s using the same mode…
As a white male of a certain
As a white male of a certain age and social background I hope that I don’t get judged by the attitudes and actions of tossers like Nigel Farage.
Mungecrundle wrote:
Too late! You’re part of the white, male and stale club; WMSC. Welcome.
“commandeered by self
“commandeered by self-righteous platoons of middle-aged men in tight-fitting costumes”
‘…to assume that all cyclists are innocent saints going about their business is just as much a generalization (sic)…’
A≠B. Failure of rational thinking. The point you make has got nothing to do with the extract you quote. You are Nigel Farage and I claim my £5.
Blackthorne wrote:
I’m not sure that anyone is saying that all cyclists are innocent saints! If there’s an us v them / war on Britain’s roads, it’s not between cyclists and motorists, it’s idiots v the rest of us. It’s the fact they’re idiots I take issue with, not how they choose to get around (although an idiot on a bike is preferable as they can do a lot less damage).
What I find more depressing
What I find more depressing than the article is that someone paid him to write it.
Fartage has made a successful career tapping into the latent aggression and prejudice of the average person. Unfortunately there’s plenty of it out there.
Migrants, lockdown, EU… Cyclists were an inevitable target
The flourish at the end –
The flourish at the end – wishing on all of us gales, heavy rain and falling leaves: pure vindictiveness.
“Yep” to being a remainer, btw.
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Cycling UK is working on
Cycling UK is working on guidelines to issue to the media to tell them clearly what is, and what isn’t, responsible reporting. Words matter. Items like this are akin to hate speech and justify and encourage anti-cyclist rhetoric. It has to stop.
Someone sent me a snippet of
Someone sent me a snippet of Fromage talking on the radio about the US election. The lies and misinformation he was cackling out was plain ridiculous. Loads of people will believe it of course. I would like to speak to an editor, man to man, at the Mail, Express etc and ask ‘why do you commission these articles? What is it you hate so much about me because I ride a bike to get to work?’ I have a colleague who puts it down to simple jealousy; unfit, ignorant, inadequate, obese, cowardly people who see cyclists and the freedom and joy it engenders and because they are too unfit and scared to cycle they simply hate those who do.
“For much of the day these
“For much of the day these new bike lanes with their endless lines of shiny white posts lie empty while traffic jams block what is left of the roads,”
“When I stop at traffic lights, cyclists surround me like a strange swarm of insects.”
Schrodingers cyclists again. DIsappear when someone is stuck near cycle lanes but appear when he is stopped at traffic lights. Of course the efficiency of travel is lost on him. As others have said, just wanted a pay day for spewing bile and he can for bikes where he might not have been allowed if he had changed it for migrants, even in the DM.
Also hold true for jumping
Also hold true for jumping lights yet swarm around him at the same red lights!
Whilst the sane majority will
Whilst the sane majority will quietly chuckle at this absurd rant from a man whose sole purpose in life is to go around breaking things. There is a worrying number of people lapping it up and frothing at the mouth.
The number of people who read
The number of people who read the DM or given any credence to this man is a sad reflection on our education system.
Grahamd wrote:
Yet many well educated people vote tory. I’m not convinced the problem is the education system, unless it’s telling people that profit is good and sympathy for your fellow human beings isn’t.
Maybe a credible opposition
Maybe a credible opposition would be a good starting point for people to reconsider where to put their vote. Conservatives got a free ride last time which is neither healthy or desireable.
Mungecrundle wrote:
That would suggest that the Tories are credible. ……
Doesn’t seem to matter how much the Tories destroy, steal, cheat, lie, generally f*ck up, many voters cannot seem to bring themselves to do anything other than vote for them again and again.
I doubt that this is about credibility. The Tories have no real wish to improve things for the general electorate. That requires an understanding of issues, an appreciation of root causes, the ability to provide solutions (complex where necessary), and the willingness to take a long term view of success. It also requires the will to spend and invest now for long term payback. Much easier to spend money on overcrowded prisons now than put in the foundations to prevent us needing them in future.
None of the above sits well with the Tories. It is much easier to promise the electorate platitudes (ephemeral as they are, remember “The Big Society”, and “The Golden Age of Cycling”?) without actually doing anything concrete.
I’ve got this far, but am nowhere nearer to understanding it, other than folk often don’t like complexity, they want simple, NOW, solutions (even ones that don’t work). the Tories offer this. It’s a really hard task to argue against
I would suggest that in
I would suggest that in general, people don’t like to upset the status quo when the status quo is working for them, or at the least they view the alternative on offer as being an unknown with greater potential to spoil their plans.
Ultimately most people sit somewhere on the scale of socialism but most will naturally put their own families and future security first. This does not make them bad people regardless of whether they are at that point in their lives net contributors to or beneficiaries of the pot.
Mungecrundle wrote:
I agree entirely
Ultimately most people sit somewhere on the scale of socialism but most will naturally put their own families and future security first. This does not make them bad people regardless of whether they are at that point in their lives net contributors to or beneficiaries of the pot. — Mungecrundle
True as well
It just seems to me to be odd that folk are willing to see £bns spaffed up the wall on IT that doesn’t work (when tested alternative was offered essentially for free) PPE that doesn’t protect, ferries that don’t exist, an NHS that is being run down, blah blah and then vote for Tories as the party of low tax and prudent financial management.
I think whether the alternative is credible is less to do with actual fact and more to do with an electorate that isn’t able/willing to weigh up what the alternative actually is.
“high-speed hobby bringing
“high-speed hobby bringing town-centre traffic to a stop”! High speed but stopping traffic, so which is it?
cbrndc wrote:
Both, just as cyclists can be dangerously fast while holding up traffic and disturb the peace in the new forest, while also spooking horses because they are silent.
I was wondering where the
I was wondering where the trolls had got to. I was even going to lay some bait for them, “CYCLING IS REALLY GOOD!!”
Never had a problem in the New Forest : “Hello ponies, hello ponies” as I pass. Great traffic calmers.
Beats killing them on the Roger Penny Way.
Never had a problem in the
Never had a problem in the New Forest : “Hello ponies, hello ponies” as I pass.
There’s another one, then! Except up in the hills of N. Lancs it’s ‘Hello, sheep’- and it’s a full time job for me- they’re everywhere
The roads by where Farage
The roads by where Farage lives in Single Street are some of the nicest for cycling within the M25 and many cyclists of all abilities enjoy them. He should let his prejudices go and go for a ride sometime.
There’s even a Strava segment that is on the stretch of road outside his house, The Racist Spunksack Sprint:
https://strava.app.link/dVNoi8mLgbb
Joe Totale wrote:
Then he’d be able to catch the flies in his mouth as he rides along, save all that hunting them business like the other toads.
Quote:
Please stop using this tired response, nobody listens to it. You have more chance of getting through to a motorist by saying that zero emission vehicles (electric cars, bicycles, etc) are exempt from road tax.
I’d sort of agree. A
I’d sort of agree. A technical argument though perfectly correct is far less persuasive than questioning the speaker of the nonsense in such a way as their argument proving to be absurd.
E.g You propose that cyclists should pay road tax, or VED to be more correct? Yes.
Would you agree that they should be taxed at the same rate as other zero emission vehicles?
Where do you think that money for the local road infrastructure more likely to be used by cyclists comes from? Central gov’t or local taxes? Who pays those taxes?
If you propose a taxation system for cycles, how exactly would that work? What are the costs of setting up and maintaining a register of cycle ownership, how would you identify untaxed machines and how would you enforce this on all cycles? Including childrens bikes? Can you reference a single succesful bicycle registration and road taxing scheme anywhere on the planet?
What exactly are the benefits to society you are attempting to achieve? Isn’t your proposal more about banning cycling?
If you tax cycles then would this also apply to other road users who are currently exempt from paying VED? Pedestrians, mobility scooters, horsists, people who dress up in period costume and drive vintage cars at the weekend etc.
If access to the public highways is based on paying a road tax then does this mean that those who pay more should be given priority? Would you agree that HGV vehicles are given priority over, to the point of excluding private cars from the busy motorway and A road systems, especially at times of peak congestion?
You made me laught with
You made me laught with ‘horsists’.
I quite like the angle of the last paragraph.
I once, rather unkindly,
I once, rather unkindly, destroyed the cyclist road tax argument from a Sister in Law who doesn’t have a paying job by pointing out that she personally pays nothing at all for the upkeep of the road system. It was ungracious as she had provided an excellent Christmas lunch, but in my defence I didn’t start the disagreement.
Mungecrundle wrote:
If you corrected her misunderstanding in a gracious and friendly way then I see nothing wrong with that. And you surely did her a favour and saved her any future embarrassment.
The idea that drivers pay for the roads with VED is laughable. Fuel duty is a much larger chunk of tax revenue, at about £28 billion vs about £6.5 billion from VED, though let’s not mention the revenue drop after tax discs were abolished. Last year the IFS has produced some stats and proposals for motoring taxation at https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14407
As Carlton Reid has pointed out before, electric cars, disabled drivers, cars built before 1973, road construction vehicles & gritters, 450,000 emergency and health-related vehicles are all exempty from VED.
The unemployed, many (but not all) retired people and students don’t pay income tax but that doesn’t bar them from using public services. Childless adults are not exempt from contributing towards the cost of schooling other people’s children.
Since cyclists don’t wear out the road surface or create potholes, don’t destroy walls, bridges, signs or barriers, don’t crash onto railway lines or into houses and don’t kill 1,700 or injure 200,000 people every single year we are saving lives and saving the country a fortune at the same time. We should get a rebate!
The European Commission has previously grossly underestimated the negative external costs of motoring. Negative externalities of all transport are now estimated to cost EU nations €1,000 billion annually, 7% of GDP:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2019/01/24/motorists-should-pay-full-costs-of-road-pollution-deaths-and-damage-says-eu-transport-commissioner/#154ed50c2c0b
Meanwhile air pollution kills five people every week in Bristol alone:
https://road.cc/content/forum/268761-air-pollution-kills-five-people-bristol-each-week-study-shows
It’s so awful that so many people believe Farage’s blatant lies over and over again.
Of course the problem is that
Of course the problem is that this is never a conversation. IME “I pay road tax” is basically just a less sweary “f*** you”, and nobody who shouts it out of their window at you is asking for a discussion or likely to listen to any of your nuanced arguments, whether it’s road tax doesn’t exist; zero emissions vehicles are exempt; VED doesn’t (totally) fund the roads; we all pay for the roads from general taxation; if VED fully funded the roads you’d have to pay [x] times more; or (my least favourite) I do pay VED, because I also drive.
I also suspect a lot of the “I pay road tax” brigade are equally furious that sponging lefty liberal elites who can afford an expensive electric car don’t pay it, so that’s not going to be a killer line either.
Or you can sink to their level and ask, since they pay road tax, where their tax disc is. “Are you stupid mate? They were abolished in 2014”. Oh really? Well, while we’re talking about abolition…
This was worth trawling
This was worth trawling through this restatement of the arguments. It’s superb, can’t wait to try it out
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Or you can sink to their level and ask, since they pay road tax, where their tax disc is. “Are you stupid mate? They were abolished in 2014″. Oh really? Well, while we’re talking about abolition….”..
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Desperate stuff from a
Desperate stuff from a desperate man desperate for publicity.
“I can’t get a job, there’s a
“I can’t get a job, there’s a traffic jam – these things are surely someone else’s fault. Immigrants, cyclists those people just over there – it can’t be anything I’m doing.
She made a rape allegation against me – but the good news is I live in a society which will look for ways to make it somehow her fault that I attacked her.”
Ahh, populism – create or highlight a problem, link it to some remote cause that removes responsibility from your converts. Appeal to their prejudices, appeal to their laziness, their desire to be “let off”.
Don’t let facts get in the way – no time to process facts, I want to hear what I want to hear. The time horizon doesn’t stretch beyond next weekend – my needs: now, this day.
We also have an in-built need to explain away negative things “ooo, that’s a bad area” – don’t go there alone, don’t go there at night – we set up our own little rules (for others to follow, naturally) to avoid dealing with the issue. Then we can dismiss bad things “what we she doing there at that hour – silly girl”. “That’s a dangerous road” soon becomes “why was he cycling there?”
Link that to bullying – I don’t mean the big kids stealing the little kids’ lunch money at school (memorably horrible if you’ve been subject to it), I mean the creeping insidious stuff that carries on into adult life and can become coercion and control. Our old friend laziness again – too lazy to do things properly, invest in relationships? try the bullying route instead. Use violence: your fists to sort out problems, problem people.
It’s a big topic: I want to highlight one particular part of the bully package: making and enforcing my own rules, for my own convenience and worse still, gratification. A gratifier, usually in a domestic context, will vary the “rules” so they can “punish” more breaches. Hi viz, no, today it’s insurance, now registration, now Road Tax – earn your respect, people.
Of course any resemblance is co-incidental – mark out a minority as “the problem”, make them wear yellow, deny them justice, tell them where they can and cannot go, disrupt and eventually destroy their lives.
Then notice something else – when called to account, bullies become the world’s greatest victims: despite being in the dominant position, where responsibility should sit – the “she/he made me do it” / “it was his/her fault” narrative comes to the fore again. Cars will be cars, the rest of us have to make allowances.
A whole system of belief has grown up for drivists – only they are right, only they can solve the traffic problems. Any counter narrative, e.g. from any form of authority is dismissed – experts are “blinkered”, police and councils incompetent and money-grabbing, environmentalists are moon gazers. The most entitled, dangerous and domineering style cyclists as arrogant law-breakers. The polarisation is depressing and dangerous.
He’s just looking for the
He’s just looking for the next thing to f*ck up. I don’t think he’ll be able to top the last one though, I think his career has peaked and he’s on the long, inexorable slide to irrelevance.
Ah, cyclists: simultaneously
Ah, cyclists: simultaneously slowing everyone down while they whiz about like madmen!
andystow wrote:
while cyclists are also everywhere in vast swams but then next minute he is saying the cycle paths are empty and there are just traffic jams left in their wake. He obviously cannot make his mind.
Scrodinger’s cyclist!
Scrodinger’s cyclist!
VED is obsolete anyway,
VED is obsolete anyway, abolish it, and move the cost onto fuel tax in a revenue neutral way.
1) those that pollute pay, drive further pay more, drive inefficient vehicles pay more.
2) vintage car exemption is not abused to use old bangers as day to day vehicles
3) moving costs onto the incremental costs reduces incentive to use the car as fixed costs ahve already been paid.
4) reduces administration as one tax system is removed.
the tax disc is no longer required as a once a year check that cars have an MOT and insurance, as all that is now on a central database
Taxing fuel even more highly
Taxing fuel even more highly won’t help. More cars are electric now than ever before and that is set to increase. Charging drivers by the distance they drive, including higher rates for driving at peak periods and in congested areas, is the way ahead. It’s well understood in the traffic sector that this will happen. We can expect a big fuss when it does.
He is worried about cycle
He is worried about cycle lanes increasing traffic jams – hang on half of Kent is being tarmacked over for freight clearance sites, with journey times likely to hugely increase. He doesn’t like a few cyclists on the roads near his house, but is quite happy that lots of residence will now have 100’s of HGV’s trundling pasts their homes and the once green fields their homes backed onto turned into lorry parks.
He’s a massive tool – best
He’s a massive tool – best ignored.
It’s a good thing he wasn’t
It’s a good thing he wasn’t ignored and you now have Brexit 😉
While trotting out the old
While trotting out the old tropes, our Nige does raise an important point about the perception of cyclists, which I dont think is helped by people in the media such as Chris Boardman.
When you distinguish a vulnerable minority like cyclists (rightly or wrongly) with particular characteristics, such as being pro-EU, anti-Tory etc, you’re bound to attract the attention and hatred of angry motorists with the opposite political persuasion.
It’s much better to take a leaf out of Joe Biden’s book and rise above this conflict by talking about the things that unite people, rather than fall into a divisive trap.
In this case it would involve simply sticking to talking about improving cycling infrastructure and safety, how it would help society and the environment, and the universality of cycling opportunities.
Nige is not to be under
Nige is not to be under estimated.. he doesn’t like cyclists as he is not a cyclist and sees them as a hindrance to his chauffer driven car getting around – he is just speaking for that group of people that see the roads as being primarily for motor vehicles and puts their point of view; just as in a debate, every point he makes needs to be challenged by someone with a similar public profile that he enjoys.
Nigel Garrage wrote:
What are you on about? The only person doing that is Farage. He’s just trying to direct his leave army to put as much hate on cyclists as possible.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard Chris Boardman say all drivers are right-wing Brexiteers and he’s always banging on about helping society, the environment and encouraging more inclusive access to cycling for all.
Ah, 1 post, just spotted – hello Socrati (or boo?).
soctwati is back in their own
soctwati is back in their own right, boo may have come back last month in a cameo
I didn’t say Chris Boardman
I didn’t say Chris Boardman has said all drivers are right-wing Brexiteers, but you just need to spend one minute on his Twitter feed to see his political bias.
I just think it’s a shame cycling advocates (I’m not just talking about Boardman, there are a number of them) cannot be more politically inclusive, as there would be less blow back. It isn’t clear to me why cycling should be politicised in any shape or form.
Nigel Garrage wrote:
Can you be more specific? Your claim of political bias seems a bit vague.
There are literally dozens of
There are literally dozens of examples… as I wrote Boardman isn’t the only person doing this, Jeremy Vine, Carlton Reid etc, without any counter-balance. You might like to be part of a privileged minority with a group-think mentality, but most wouldn’t.
Look away from these rich, white, middle aged men towards more diverse characters such as Chloe Dygert who could bridge across the political divide, as well as encourage women and families into cycling.
That doesn’t look like
That doesn’t look like political bias to me – just some retweeting of people making very straight-forward statements that appear to be quite rational.
Maybe you should keep in mind that reality has a well known left-wing bias?
Nigel Garrage wrote:
Are you booboo? Cos he hated Boardman and had the same vague criticisms you are putting forward.
hirsute wrote:
He so obviously is, same syntax, same non-arguments, same attempt to sound as if he’s reasonable and just wants everyone to get along…is there a prize?
Nigel Garrage wrote:
It is politicised simply due to the fact that it is highly relevant to social policy, transport infrastructure policy, health policy, road safety policy, climate policy.
You seem to suggest that politicians at any level should be completely disinterested – with the above in mind, in all conscience how can they be?
I believe you don’t have to
I believe you don’t have to own a property to apply for planning on it – hence the old lady who filed to build a Tesco on Terry Leahy’s mansion… Why don’t we just file planning permission to turn his house into a Brexit lorry park with a cycle parking? Living in Scotland, not sure I can due the different planning etc laws…
There is a nice response to
There is a nice response to Nigel by Peter Walker in today’s Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2020/nov/11/farages-anti-cyclist-article-shows-car-users-fear-loss-of-control
Wow, the 40 mph cyclist
Wow, the 40 mph cyclist ruining your country walk!