[Cugel]

A number of ubermen hereabouts like to dismiss the notion that one day, if allowed by the patriarchy, a woman might win high level open races against all including the men. Women are dismissed as inherently weaker beings who should be confined to the ghetto of badly (if at all) supported races for women only.

Ha!

Here’s an interesting little story from another cycling website.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/fitness/indoor-cycling/real-world-success-top-ranked-zwifter-crushes-first-real-bike-races

Note the various data values involved.

A quote from the article:

After cordially warning her competitors that it was the first time she would ride in a group, she rode away, winning by almost five minutes over the hill climb series leader, Sonya Bodick. Her 5.24 wkg average for 22:52 earned her another QOM, a course record, and the victory – and even one position before her coach Josh Lipka.

The recently crowned Men’s Masters 35-39 Open US National Time Trial Champion put out 4.83 wkg and averaged 425 W to hold Kristen’s wheel and, when asked about it, could muster no more than an, “It was awful!”

Gawd – the ubermen must be feeling all trembly at the knees! 🙂

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[brooksby]

Dnnnnnn wrote:

Rendel Harris wrote:

peted76 wrote:

What’s an uberman? Is that german for Superman?  

It’s a taxi driver, there’s an app you can order them with.

Superman is driving taxis in Herne Hill? Times are tough.

The Daily Planet centralised their newsroom, and Clark Kent lost his job.

[Left_is_for_Losers]

Women are weaker? 

Women are weaker? 

Is that even a question?

[levestane]

Women are weaker? I don’t

Women are weaker? I don’t know but men are making such a brilliant job of running the world with global peace, environmental bliss etc.

[Dnnnnnn]

Rendel Harris wrote:

peted76 wrote:

What’s an uberman? Is that german for Superman?  

It’s a taxi driver, there’s an app you can order them with.

Superman is driving taxis in Herne Hill? Times are tough.

[SimoninSpalding]

Not ’round ‘ere you can’t.

Not ’round ‘ere you can’t. The app never actually admits defeat in finding a car for you but you will have lost patience/ walked to where you need to go/ drained your phone battery in the meantime.

[chrisonabike]

Bee in cycle helmet. Cugel

Bee in cycle helmet. Cugel seems to have slightly contradictory views on the subject. (Being fair who doesn’t have a nosegay of clashing fruity ideas in their “noggin”?).

So there are probably the same prejudices that everyone gets installed in them in our society (and more for “men of a certain age” – or maybe just “most men”?).  That is the mental association of e.g. “frocks / handbags” / “feminine” / “female” / not most “cyclists”*.

Then there’s the feminist perspective that women actually could do far more if men weren’t holding them back or mentally writing them off.  Unequal opportunities and indoctrination (both sexes) making a radical difference in outcomes.  I’d certainly agree that is the case.

Where we depart is the “and you can extend that to e.g. facts of biology – if men didn’t think that elite male athletes were faster than female elite althletes we might see females breaking the male records”.  Given sports that weren’t invented yesterday I think that is extremely questionable.  There are a few areas where “mind over matter” is not relevant.

Of course, Cugel could be correct if you allow for millenia of evolution / genetic manipulation or body modification / systematically training some children (female) while restraining, starving or crippling others (male).  And indeed most of those have been practiced (in different times and places) in human societies.  There’s actually little new in our brave new world…

* The latter is statistically correct in the UK.  Note apparently more women are cycling than men in NL though.  I’ve no idea but suspect most viewers of this site and probably posters here are not female.  (I’m aware of a couple of posters who said they were women).  Obviously this is indeed “culture” and not a “natural law”.

[Rendel Harris]

I think he’s feeling a bit

I think he’s feeling a bit cross that he was quite rightly called out for sexism yesterday with all his comparisons of expensive bikes to frocks, shoes and handbags, so he’s trying somewhat dubiously to re-burnish his feminist credentials.

[Rendel Harris]

peted76 wrote:

What’s an uberman? Is that german for Superman?  

It’s a taxi driver, there’s an app you can order them with.

[peted76]

What’s an uberman? Is that

What’s an uberman? Is that german for Superman?  

[mark1a]

I’m sure there’s a point in

I’m sure there’s a point in here somewhere.

Kristen came 5th overall out of the whole field.

https://www.road-results.com/race/17025#r280019

What is your actual point? It wasn’t clear. Who are these imaginary “ubermen hereabouts” please?

The take-away I have from this story is that indoor cycling, using platforms such as Zwift is a superb training tool for outdoor cycling, do you agree?

 

 

 

Cugel wrote:

A number of ubermen hereabouts like to dismiss the notion that one day, if allowed by the patriarchy, a woman might win high level open races against all including the men. Women are dismissed as inherently weaker beings who should be confined to the ghetto of badly (if at all) supported races for women only.

Ha!

Here’s an interesting little story from another cycling website.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/fitness/indoor-cycling/real-world-success-…(link is external)

Note the various data values involved.

A quote from the article:

After cordially warning her competitors that it was the first time she would ride in a group, she rode away, winning by almost five minutes over the hill climb series leader, Sonya Bodick. Her 5.24 wkg average for 22:52 earned her another QOM, a course record, and the victory – and even one position before her coach Josh Lipka.

The recently crowned Men’s Masters 35-39 Open US National Time Trial Champion put out 4.83 wkg and averaged 425 W to hold Kristen’s wheel and, when asked about it, could muster no more than an, “It was awful!”

Gawd – the ubermen must be feeling all trembly at the knees! 

 

[Anonymous]

“When the final results were

“When the final results were in, I was impressed that Kulchinski was fifth overall in just under 23 minutes”

So there were 4 people faster than her. All men I suppose.

[Author]

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