[OldRidgeback]

If Tesla’s technology can’t detect a motorcyle, it certanly won’t spot a bicycle and rider so this is of concern….

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/17/business/tesla-motorcycle-crashes-autopilot/index.html

 

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[ktache]

Looks like Tesla has gone to

Looks like Tesla has gone to a full on arsehole driver mode.

Perhaps learned from its drivers?

[hawkinspeter]

How about when it spots a

How about when it spots a pedestrian using a crossing but just decides to continue anyway?

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/05/teslas-full-self-driving-sees-pedestrian-chooses-not-to-slow-down/

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/WholeMarsBlog_1080p1657807019703943169.mp4

[Secret_squirrel]

ChuckSneed wrote:

I don’t know about when cycling but when I’m driving and want to overtake but can see a Tesla coming up behind in the next lane, I just pull out anyway because they have automatic braking so I know there’s always time for me to go in front of them without any risk to me.

Why would you do that to any driver?  That’s careless driving. 

[charliepalooza]

You don’t want to do that.

You don’t want to do that. The automatic braking is only when cruise or FSD is on. 

[hawkinspeter]

The big issue is that the FSD
The big issue is that the FSD is not really ready for use on the roads yet (hence why the EU etc don’t allow it) and other road users are unwitting participants in Tesla’s development cycle. After sitting in a colleague’s Tesla and seeing the poor performance of the AI’s view of the surroundings, I don’t think it’s even approaching the ability of the worst drivers.

[Awavey]

the problem is the analysis

the problem is the analysis is coming from the this “automated driving” software is bad because its not fully automated, and Ill ignore that non-automated driving is invariably much worse and there arent long winded analysis articles about that.

but because it allows the car to drive itself badly in some situations, again Ill ignore that speeding, jumping yellow lights, rolling through stop signs and using the wrong lane at an intersection is pretty much standard behaviour among human drivers anyway, and wouldnt it be hilarious if the AI had just learnt these new behaviours because it thought the software logic was showing it this was how you drove in those situations, and that means Elon is a bad person and Tesla are doomed.

But Teslas pov is FSD is an add on that drivers must still take full responsibility of monitoring, to control properly, as its a beta test programme, uniquely allowed in the US due to their laws.

it doesnt feel quite like the smoking gun when manufacturers like Ford for instance issued 65 recalls last year, affecting 8.6million vehicles does it ?

[hawkinspeter]

Owd Big 'Ead wrote:

Owd Big 'Ead wrote:

Surprised no one has picked up on this?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/feb/16/tesla-recall-full-self-driving-cars

Only a mere 363,000 vehicles across all model platforms, so probably far easier to blame it on individual driver error than complete system failure 

Some analysis here: https://slate.com/technology/2023/02/tesla-recall-full-self-driving-nhtsa-musk-regulation.html

[hawkinspeter]

Critman wrote:

Critman wrote:

As stated above in reposne to jh2727, Tesla has a black box which records what the car is doing at all times. If it was in FSD the box will show investigators the exact time it when it was engaged and deactivated.

I don’t trust Tesla to be entirely open and truthful with the data from their black box systems. They have an incentive to not assign blame to the FSD system.

[hawkinspeter]

I agree, and drivers often
I agree, and drivers often don’t leave enough space when following other vehicles.

[IanMSpencer]

I know that and you know that
I know that and you know that, but does he know that?

[wtjs]

Chuck might not be so

Chuck might not be so confident pulling in front of them now

Hardly relevant, as virtually nothing he writes is either true or intended to be true.

[IanMSpencer]

Chuck might not be so
Chuck might not be so confident pulling in front of them now.

[Backladder]

Elon thanks you for being his

Elon thanks you for being his crash test dummy 😉

[Owd Big 'Ead]

Surprised no one has picked

Surprised no one has picked up on this?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/feb/16/tesla-recall-full-self-driving-cars

Only a mere 363,000 vehicles across all model platforms, so probably far easier to blame it on individual driver error than complete system failure 

[Critman]

As stated above in reposne to

As stated above in reposne to jh2727, Tesla has a black box which records what the car is doing at all times. If it was in FSD the box will show investigators the exact time it when it was engaged and deactivated.

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