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Yesterday, I watched this video on the BBC site, in it, the Police stopped the lad and ask for his details.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-55842241

In the article itself, there’s a link to a Government site, which says you don’t have to give your info to them or even stop.

https://www.gov.uk/police-powers-to-stop-and-search-your-rights

It made me wonder, if in the unlikely event you’re stopped when cycling outside your “local area”, and asked for your details.

Do the above rules apply, or are there newer “Covid rules” which means you must get your details, and therfore face a possible fine or not?

Thanks.

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[Awavey]

well up till the point they

well up till the point they want to balance their demographic stats out. Ive had that happen twice to me, not as part of this covid stuff, but dont assume just because you are white,middle class,middle aged or even female, that the likes of that type of officer, who isnt a one off by any means, wont stop you.

I know locally the police have decided 10miles is your arbitrary “local” limit, and have been visiting local visitor spots and checking licence plates for locality, and then claiming in local media the public wholly support them and want stricter rules and more punishments handed out so are just enforcing the will of the people.

[Awavey]

limited in scope…tell that

limited in scope…tell that to football fans

[Awavey]

actually I dont think you are

actually I dont think you are obliged by law to carry them around with you, but you are obliged to show them on demand though, hence the 7 day wonder producer.

[don simon fbpe]

Thank fuck for that, I trust

Thank fuck for that, I trust you didn’t exhibit your prejudices when you were working. But you probably did.

[Stumps]

Yes, its in the 2nd paragraph

Yes, its in the 2nd paragraph down. 

[hawkinspeter]

Stumps wrote:

After 30 years in the Police i find the latest round of recruits very poor and the standard has dropped drastically. Most of todays newer recruits wouldn’t have got in when i joined.

Surely they’d’ve been too young or not even born yet?

[Hirsute]

If an officer feels

If an officer feels ‘antagonised’ by a simple observational question, then perhaps policing is not for them. You will have course read the comments by the office’s superiors who reviewed all the footage.

[Anonymous]

Absolutely, also note the
Absolutely, also note the video doesn’t show the start of the conversation or the context of what was said before. The copper was a bit thick in his use of language and actions though.

[grOg]

Having watched the video,

Having watched the video, Nino antagonised the officer by asking him why he wasn’t questioning other people.. if he had just politely answered the questions asked, he would have been on his way quickly but then Nino wouldn’t have had any ‘interesting’ content for filming with his mobile phone.

[grOg]

that would be peddling FUD..

that would be peddling FUD.. you pedal a bike.

[wtjs]

In practice, you can cycle as

In practice, you can cycle as often and as far as you like. However, as I know that Lancashire Constabulary would dearly like to give me a stuffing I have had to curtail my red-light crashing surveillance because I couldn’t justify standing still by the roadside for an hour.

[Chris Hayes]

I think that most police

I think that most police officers are out there trying to do a decent job in what are probably increasingly difficult circumstances.  When something goes awry these days, however, its filmed, immediately uploaded to Twatter / Faecesbook or the like and suddenly its picked up by the local / national press looking for something to sensationalise and very quickly we’re discussing it on Road.cc.  That said, as a middle-aged, white male I don’t get stopped often and when I open my mouth my northern dialect, softened by university and 25 years working in London are usually enough for them to cross me off their terrorism suspect list. 

So, if a police officer stops me and asks me for my name and address I’m going to tell him / her and hope that we can both get on with our day.  There’s no obligation to carry ID in the UK, and I certainly don’t when I’m cycling, so this is going to come down to trust.  I’m aware that there are civil liberties at issue and that an Englishman doesn’t have to prove who he is, etc. but it strikes me that they can make your whole day a lot worse. 

Of course, if they fine you for riding outside your area, etc. you have the right to challenge the fine in court.  GIven the way the law is drafted I would suggest that you do so. 

[don simon fbpe]

Stumps wrote:

After 30 years in the Police i find the latest round of recruits very poor and the standard has dropped drastically. Most of todays newer recruits wouldn’t have got in when i joined. 

As for stop and search or whatever the snowflakes call it now is a minefield and i dont even pretend to know what all the changes are now i’ve retired. 

In a car you can get stopped so the officer can examine your docs, which by law, you are meant to carry. If you dont have them then the officer can check your personal details to see if your are disq etc. 

Mind you the comment from Liberty is about as much use as used toilet roll, no surprise there. 

 

I trust that you’re now retired.

[Stumps]

After 30 years in the Police

After 30 years in the Police i find the latest round of recruits very poor and the standard has dropped drastically. Most of todays newer recruits wouldn’t have got in when i joined. 

As for stop and search or whatever the snowflakes call it now is a minefield and i dont even pretend to know what all the changes are now i’ve retired. 

In a car you can get stopped so the officer can examine your docs, which by law, you are meant to carry. If you dont have them then the officer can check your personal details to see if your are disq etc. 

Mind you the comment from Liberty is about as much use as used toilet roll, no surprise there. 

 

[don simon fbpe]

Tom_77 wrote:

Section 44  of the Terrorism Act 2000 gave the police very broad powers to stop and search. That was found to be in breach of Article 8 of the Convention on Human Rights and has since been repealed.

Section 60 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 is still on the books, but that is a bit more limited in scope.

Wasn’t the change essentially that section 44 allowed the police “to stop and search an individual without having any reasonable suspicion of them having committed an offence.” only to be replaced with “to reasonably suspect an individual of involvement in terrorism before intervening.”?

Which as we can see in this video doesn’t really count for anything if your face doesn’t fit.

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