[wtjs]

Start the New Year with a New Career! Join Lancashire TacOps’ OpSnap Lancs (HQ Operations, Safer Roads unit) ace image analysts, but first we have to see if you’re up to the job. Study the following image carefully and declare your opinion on this statement:

it cannot be accurately established at what phase the traffic lights are at as the front wheels hit the stop line

True(T) or False(F)?

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[Mungecrundle]

I fully accept your witness
I fully accept your witness statement that the car proceeded through the lights and I’m not doing a Garage on you, but the problem with the photo alone is that whilst it shows the exact position of the vehicle, nothing can be inferred about its velocity and although it has certainly entered the advanced stop area, you have covered that particular circumstance in your extract from rule 178.

[wtjs]

No, no uncertainty here!

No, no uncertainty here!

Rule 175

You MUST stop behind the white ‘Stop’ line across your side of the road unless the light is green. If the amber light appears you may go on only if you have already crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to stop might cause a collision.

Rule 178

Advanced stop lines. … If your vehicle has proceeded over the first white line at the time that the signal goes red, you MUST stop at the second white line, even if your vehicle is in the marked area…

This is 1/3 second later, as shown by the white van in the background

[Mungecrundle]

Is this one of those
Is this one of those Heisenberg uncertainty type thingies?

[wtjs]

There seems to be some

There seems to be some confusion between the Stop Line and Advanced Stop Line, and not only at OpSnap Lancs!

[wycombewheeler]

Sriracha wrote:

Sriracha wrote:

I never even realised the wheels were the threshold. That should come as a comfort to pedestrians hit by the actual front of the car, etc.

yes its the wheels crossing that count, but if the wheel stop behind the line, anyone crossing the road should not be hit, the distance between wheels and bumper is quite small.

However, regardless of the phase of the lights, if the cfar huts a pedestrian already in the road, then questions should be asked.

As to the origianl image, even if Lancashire police are umable to tell for certain whether the car crossed on amber or red, it most definiately did not cross on green, so an offence either way.

Unsafe to stop? no, because no other vehicle is following closely behind.

[Sriracha]

I never even realised the
I never even realised the wheels were the threshold. That should come as a comfort to pedestrians hit by the actual front of the car, etc.

[wtjs]

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