[pauld]

HI,

I’m looking for some recommendations for which hubs to go for for a custom wheel build? I’ve bought some H Plus Son Archtype 20 hole rims and I’m aware that narrows down the choice of hubs.

The build is to be rim brake only and going on my Condor Acciaio.

I did buy a 2nd hand pair of Mavic Aksium hubs, but after a little surfing found that they are pretty rubbish, so before I give the wheel builder the go ahead I’m after recommendations. Are Hope really worth the money?

Thanks in advance

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[Nick T]

A lot of wheel builders won’t

A lot of wheel builders won’t build with parts you supply anyway – there’s not much money in actually building the wheel, getting parts wholesale and charging the customer RRP like the shop you would buy from is where they make some more income

[armb]

It does depend on how much

It does depend on how much you weigh, how powerful you are, and what sort of riding you will do. I wouldn’t want a 20 spoke rear wheel for myself, but that doesn’t mean it’s out of the question.
https://dcrwheels.co.uk/products/rims/700c-rims/h-plus-son-archetype/ says “H Plus Son have said that a 20:24 lacing on this rim will hold a rider of up to 200lbs or 91kg”.

[alotronic]

Having had a good few sets of

Having had a good few sets of hand built wheels I am convinced that spending money on CX Ray spokes is essential for anything but a touring wheel 🙂

[pauld]

HI, thanks for the info. This

HI, thanks for the info. This is exactly what I’m doing now. I was trying to do things the wrong way around. Covid boredom!! The rims have gone back now and I’m taking a more considered approach.

[bobbinogs]

OP, you really are going the
OP, you really are going the wrong way around this and need to just start again. Have a little think about what kind of riding you do, what kind of rider you are (honest weight inc. any attachments) and what your budget is. Don’t try and shoot for the moon.
Then, get in touch with any of the regular wheel builders (DCR is great, but don’t rule out the others like Strada, etc). Don’t worry too much about spoke count, that will turn up with the options and the advice given.
FWIW, I think the Archetypes are great for winter/training wheels as they have a decent thickness of brake track and take some stick. Yes, the annodising wears off but they look all right when the process has finished. My wheels are built with 24/28 DA9000 hubs and, with CX Ray, come in around 1500g ish and have had 3-4 rebuilds. Cost was about £500, rebuilds are obviously a lot less.
Use the custom build option for its benefits, don’t focus on the limitations/risks of trying to get something that may or may not work.

[quiff]

I’ve just ordered my first

I’ve just ordered my first handbuilt wheels, having finally worn out the Mavics which were supplied on the bike from new. I asked the builder about Hope hubs and the response was very positive (so that’s what I’m having) – well made, durable, serviceable, but will be heavier than the Mavics they’re replacing. I’ve been recommended a 24/28 hole front/rear spoke count for my weight (c.78kg), whereas the Mavics I’ve been riding without incident for 6 years are 19/21 (IIRC). Those are wide, flat bladed spokes though, so presumably the spoke counts are not directly comparable.     

[jfitton]

I registered to second the

I registered to second the DCR post, I purchased a set a few years ago, Oynx hubs(silient) on DCR carbon rims and they are still like the first day I recieved them. David was also very patient with me when finalising the spec.

[pauld]

I’ve sent the rims back now

I’ve sent the rims back now and I’m going to start again with some consideration as to what I need first.  Thanks in again for your help.

[Chris Hayes]

Yes – that’s the case.

Yes – that’s the case.  Thanks for pointing that out. 

[Secret_squirrel]

Chris I think you mean Hunt

Chris I think you mean Hunt rebrands Kinlin’s as their own rims.  A brief google frenzy can find no evidence or rumours that Hope do….

[Chris Hayes]

The anodised surface was a

The anodised surface was a massive disappointment for me and – I’m told – they require higher tension when building (so much so, infact, that a bike shop I won’t name damaged a Chris King hub shell tensioning them).  Obviously this won’t be an issue if you’re not on CK hubs…. 

The Kinlins are supposed to be better… I have set of 23 /28s on R45 Chris King hubs which run fine and take daily hammer.

[Mathemagician]

Archetype rims are some of
Archetype rims are some of the best around their price point.

[pauld]

Morning, thanks for the

Morning, thanks for the feedback.

So what I’ve managed to read from the comments is that I should change the rims to a larger spoke count, something like a 28, especially for the rear. I’m waiting for the rims to arrive and will send them back and swop for different ones.

As for the choice of rims, they seem to be marmite, especially in hard anodised as I know the rim will wear. 

Does anyone have the Archtype rims, are they any good?

[Richbeck]

I would start again and speak
I would start again and speak to David at DCR wheels.

[Rapha Nadal]

I recently has some Hope RS4

I recently has some Hope RS4’s built up with H Plus Son Archetypes.  28 front & back and they are utterly bombproof.  Such a solid wheel.

I think you might be best upping the spoke count really but that’s just an opinion as you might weigh 59kgs and be able to get away with them!

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