[David9694]

Running this one up the flagpole to see who salutes… 

I just don’t remember this being a thing until recently, now it seems a daily occurrence.
Could it be that there are drivers not up to the job, too many cars; should houses be made to ride in single file, shops put on high viz, why are we putting newer buildings in danger like this, it’s irresponsible. 
 

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/18649201.car-crash-wall-iceland-store-westbourne/

‘A Dorset Police spokesperson said: “Dorset Police was called at 12.48pm on Thursday, August 13, to a report of a collision involving a car and a wall outside Iceland on Poole Road in Bournemouth.

“It is reported that the vehicle was also in collision with a pedestrian, but they did not require medical treatment.” ‘ 

 

Topic

[chrisonabike]

David9694 wrote:

David9694 wrote:

Runaway car with no driver crashes into estate agent window

I’m worried about these runaway cars – it seems they might come to harm on the streets.  There should be a place where they can go to be looked after.

[pockstone]

Re. the Yeadon chip shop, I

Re. the Yeadon chip shop, I think anyone who buys a property on Whackhouse Lane should consider themselves to have been duly warned.

[Tom_77]

bensynnock wrote:

bensynnock wrote:

It’s the Daily Echo again. https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/25390838.car-smashes-window-park-gate-estate-agents/ Staff at an estate agents in Park Gate have been left “shaken” after a car smashed through the front of its office on Wednesday afternoon.

That’s the estate agent that sold my house last time I moved.

[David9694]

Don’t get me started…

Don’t get me started…

Runaway car with no driver crashes into estate agent window

Fortunately, no one was hurt and the car was empty at the time

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/runaway-car-no-driver-crashes-26708957

[bensynnock]

It’s the Daily Echo again.
It’s the Daily Echo again.

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/25390838.car-smashes-window-park-gate-estate-agents/

Staff at an estate agents in Park Gate have been left “shaken” after a car smashed through the front of its office on Wednesday afternoon.

[David9694]

Car crashes into fish and

Car crashes into fish and chips shop – a round-up

Driverless car crashes through Upminster fish and chip shop

https://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/21516075.driverless-car-crashes-upminster-fish-chip-shop/

Car crashes into Westfield Fisheries, Yeadon – what we know

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/23267868.car-crashes-westfield-fisheries-yeadon—know/

Car crashes through chip shop on Crewe’s Coronation Street

The incident happened overnight on Coronation Street in Crewe, with the driver and a male passenger treated at the scene by paramedics

https://www.cheshire-live.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/car-crashes-through-chip-shop-24667356

Isle of Wight police told of chippy collision 14 hours later

https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/24063834.isle-wight-police-told-chippy-collision-14-hours-later/

Car crashes into fish and chip shop in Four Marks

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-23405227

Car crashes into front of fish and chip shop in Lowestoft

https://www.lowestoftjournal.co.uk/news/24512836.car-crashes-front-fish-chip-shop-lowestoft/

Car crashes into Acton fish and chip shop

Car crashes into Acton fish and chip shop

Dramatic photo shows Frome chip shop after driver crashes into front

https://frome.nub.news/news/local-news/dramatic-photo-shows-frome-chip-shop-after-driver-crashes-into-front

Westbury’s Harlees gives update after car smashes through front

https://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/25378876.westburys-harlees-gives-update-car-smashes-front/

[chrisonabike]

David9694 wrote:

David9694 wrote:

chrisonabike wrote:

There are lots of differences now between UK and NL beyond just the infra now. Who drives (eg. age profile for different kinds of trips), when/ where etc. differ, I think. The two things we can be confident don’t apply are “but it’s basically car-free / drivers are 2nd class citizens” (they have mass motoring and it’s still very convenient) or “but they’re all brilliant drivers there / terrified of getting caught by police” (mostly still humans driving there, with all their issues – they might be marginally better trained… and they may take road crime a *bit* more seriously, but some police have car-brain there also. It’s no more a police state there than in the UK).

Apart from too much speed and a whole bunch of risk-taking, what does that leave us with, difference-wise?  Was wondering – is it somewhere in that territory where the police chief claims success because no women have been attacked walking home at night in the past 12 months – because no-one ever dares to? 

No single thing I can offer, except… speed, I guess? I don’t know how well observed the limits are in NL, presumably the numbers are out there. We do know that – especially for the lower speed limits in the UK they are exceeded by the majority.

Perhaps that, plus slightly higher average lower speed limits is enough? That and – as the video notes – NL makes efforts to restrict the higher speed limit roads to where the buildings are *not* – or at least at a distance from them?

Oh – and for the joyriders more of the “back streets” in NL are effectively LTNs eg. you can’t then cut through somewhere else.

Of course this doesn’t explain the “it just jumped through the wall of the multistory car park”.

More speculation but perhaps far *better independent child mobility* over there a) means that teens don’t go quite so hog-wild with their first motor b) from cycling all those years they have better basic road skills (albeit they’ll have been on the *streets* not the roads) and c) maybe they’ve been able to learn that it hurts and things get broken when you crash?

No doubt they are still teens though.

[David9694]

chrisonabike wrote:

chrisonabike wrote:

There are lots of differences now between UK and NL beyond just the infra now. Who drives (eg. age profile for different kinds of trips), when/ where etc. differ, I think. The two things we can be confident don’t apply are “but it’s basically car-free / drivers are 2nd class citizens” (they have mass motoring and it’s still very convenient) or “but they’re all brilliant drivers there / terrified of getting caught by police” (mostly still humans driving there, with all their issues – they might be marginally better trained… and they may take road crime a *bit* more seriously, but some police have car-brain there also. It’s no more a police state there than in the UK).

Apart from too much speed and a whole bunch of risk-taking, what does that leave us with, difference-wise?  Was wondering – is it somewhere in that territory where the police chief claims success because no women have been attacked walking home at night in the past 12 months – because no-one ever dares to? 

[chrisonabike]

There are lots of differences
There are lots of differences now between UK and NL beyond just the infra now. Who drives (eg. age profile for different kinds of trips), when/ where etc. differ, I think.

The two things we can be confident don’t apply are “but it’s basically car-free / drivers are 2nd class citizens” (they have mass motoring and it’s still very convenient) or “but they’re all brilliant drivers there / terrified of getting caught by police” (mostly still humans driving there, with all their issues – they might be marginally better trained… and they may take road crime a *bit* more seriously, but some police have car-brain there also. It’s no more a police state there than in the UK).

[David9694]

Topical and I don’t think I

Topical and I don’t think I’ve seen it posted here before. I always enjoy his perspective.

I was reflecting on the Drivers & Their Problems story about the hire bike parking spot.  It’s a 1980s housing estate, the roads seem quite narrow and quite bendy.  I daresay the whole area would in Europe be a 30 km/h zone. There are no houses placed on the through road – they’re all served by side roads and little courtyards.  The road isn’t an obvious rat run.  Yet the residents complaining about the proposed bike dock are also complaining about car antics. 

I’m coming to think that that the monster we’ve created refuses to be calmed, like it appears to have been in The Netherlands (where, NJB guy makes the point, they have both varieties of road). I don’t think long, wide straight roads per se are very much to blame for our UK diet of CCIB stories.

[chrisonabike]

David9694 wrote:

Some statistics from other countries – the one here from The Netherlands says 408 car crashes into building fatalities  (“fixed object”, to be precise). Plus the usual dismal stats of drivers going on killing peds and cyclists, and each other/ themselves. 

I’m sure I’ve posted this one a few times but NotJustBikes (Canadian world-travelling engineer who settled in NL) has an episode on “why cars crash rarely crash into buildings in NL” – rarely compared to Canada / US, certainly…

[David9694]

GP issues warning to patients

GP issues warning to patients – after car crashes into surgery

Staffordshire Police were called in

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/gp-issues-warning-patients-after-10410714?int_source=nba

[David9694]

Some statistics from other

Some statistics from other countries – the one here from The Netherlands says 408 car crashes into building fatalities  (“fixed object”, to be precise). Plus the usual dismal stats of drivers going on killing peds and cyclists, and each other/ themselves. 

“In the period between 2019 and 2022, 1,199 cyclists were killed in traffic accidents, with 42 percent of these accidents being caused by collisions with a passenger car or van. Nearly 10 percent of all cyclist fatalities were caused by collisions involving a lorry or bus, and 32 percent were not due to collisions. These cyclists died after falling from their bicycle. Thirty-eight percent of cyclist fatalities involving people aged 75 years or older were not due to collisions.”

https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/news/2024/15/684-road-traffic-deaths-in-2023

Some interesting charts here too – International Transport Forum. 
(Pages 27-29 refer) If I have this right, the UK compares pretty well, with only Scandinavia and Iceland doing better than us, and it’s very slowly going in the right direction.  But I won’t stop until it’s zero, and people feel safe on two wheels.  All of these numbers would be way worse if we weren’t all accustomed to diving out of the way of aggressively driven cars. 

For shame, we’re up there with USA and Canada with the highest blood alcohol limit for drivers (England & Wales) – pages 60. & 61. 

Cycle Hemet laws:  pages 64 & 65 – quite a few of these for children 

https://www.itf-oecd.org/sites/default/files/docs/irtad-road-safety-annual-report-2024.pdf

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A van has crashed through

A van has crashed through from the inside of a car park, seemingly by itself? There were people in it, but they were ‘occupants’.

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/leeds-car-park-chaos-van-32170418

Impressive how it managed to gather enough momentum to smash through an armco barrier.

[David9694]

(driverless) Car crashes into

(driverless) Car crashes into home forcing family to evacuate

The family from Chipping Sodbury are having to find a new home

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/regional-news/car-crashes-home-forcing-family-10377421?int_source=nba

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