[Sriracha]

BBC One on 17 January at 7.30pm – Panorama: Britain’s Killer Roads?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-60002624

This is tragic and I would not want to make capital out of personal tragedy, but if we seek prison time for the road then nothing changes. Given the question mark in the title, can we hope the programme will go deeper than blaming the road and find real solutions, and put and end to such tragedy.

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[chrisonabike]

I can think of one type of

I can think of one type of killer road – the cycle-o-path!

[AlsoSomniloquism]

Any crash by this individual

Any crash by this individual wouldn’t have been the road. Although as she wouldn’t have been able to see it, that surprise corner might well have been the culprit.
 

[Hirsute]

PROGRAMME

PROGRAMME

But I thought the same. I suppose there is a slim chance it was the tech vehicle the shot cam from.

I amazed there are not more collisions.

[Mungecrundle]

I watched the program. Each
I watched the program. Each section tackled a particular issue but what struck me as consistent in each was following too close to the vehicle in front, including from the presenter whilst driving his van. Is the 2 second rule not a thing anymore?

[Sriracha]

Of course these are just the
Of course these are just the proxy reasons. Fewer breathalysers does not cause people to drink and drive, fewer traffic police does not cause anyone to drive like an idiot etc. But very quickly the actual blame is apportioned in this way, it’s the police’s fault. Which feeds the “speeders will speed, they can’t help it, if nobody stops them it’s not their fault” line of reasoning.

Of course the situation could be improved with better policing, and they need to do their job, but the immediate cause of speeding is the idiot behind the wheel.

[Yorkshie Whippet]

Well that just shows your

Well that just shows your lacking knowledge of engines.

Turbos make the engine more efficient by introducing more air into the combustion chamber. Resulting in a cleaner burn and more power for the same amount of fuel used. Far better for the environment then these idiots with their foot planted in the carpet for a dirty and inefficient burn. 
 

Flooring the accelerator does not directly increase power, it opens the air intake to allow the engine to breath more in, as result ECU increases the amount of fuel to match.

Think of it the way, I’ll be riding up a hill spinning comfortably in a low gear whilst you struggle hardly turning over in too high a gear. 
 

There end that lecture.?

[Hirsute]

Lancs police showing their
Lancs police showing their usual care for cyclists.

[ktache]

Seconds.
Not minutes.

Seconds.

Not minutes.

[Sriracha]

Yup, and also from the video,
Yup, and also from the video, why don’t cyclists use the cycle lane…?

[ktache]

And what name had he decided

And what name had he decided on using this time?

[Steve K]

Just seen a bit on BBC news

Just seen a bit on BBC news about it – they balmed the increase in deaths on

– fewer dedicated traffic police

– fewer breathalysers

– significant number of speed cameras switched off.

Resulting in a road network with fewer checks; leading to some drivers being more likely to drive more dangerously; and therefore making roads more dangerously.

[Bungle_52]

Yorkshie Whippet wrote:

Yorkshie Whippet wrote:

As a car driver, the biggest problem we face is “fuel savers”.

Quite right, who in their right mind would want to save fuel in a climate emergency. Much more important that you are able “wind up your turbo” to get to your destinantion a few minutes earlier.

[AlsoSomniloquism]

It would be interesting why

It would be interesting why they were both(?) travelling at speed if there was torrential rain. One car was on the wrong side of the road it seems. At a guess, I’m assuming the one with the victims if no charges have been brought against the other driver. 

[Simon E]

fenix wrote:

fenix wrote:

There are some speed limits that are too high around here – and if you don’t know the road  – you can’t hit that limit.

That depends where you are. Speed limits aren’t the only determinant of maximum safe speed at which to drive.

70 mph on M-way in thick fog? No.

60 mph on winding narrow country lane with high hedges, farm gates, perhaps mud in places? No.

Not only are many drivers lazy and complacent, lacking consideration for anyone outside their metal box, but there is a get-outta-my-way culture or mindset among a vast number of drivers that really needs to change.

[HoarseMann]

iandusud wrote:

I had the same reaction as you. There’s even a woman who is interviewed about the A82 who says that she doesn’t blame anyone, it’s the road’s fault!

In this very sad case, the whole incident was captured on another vehicle’s dashcam. The same lady blames the weather in this article: 
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/5533573/crash-fort-william-rhys-cousin-kids-death/

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