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Fantasy ‘team’ competition for 2014

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  • August 26, 2013 at 6:26 pm #19703
    drheaton

    I realised that I'd had this idea last year then totally forgotten about it.

    [quote=drheaton]Teams of teams – another possible feature, 9 players band together into one team of players, their scores are combined in some way (straight sum of scores, average of all 9 or maybe lose the highest and lowest and sum/average what's left) and they compete against other teams for a prize (Grand tours only maybe?). Should be fun and unpredictable, also, good for getting people to get involved on the forum[/quote]

    So, I figured I'd see if anyone was interested in giving this a go?

    Plan is to try and put together 5-10 teams of 10-12 players ahead of the start of next year, each team has a 'league' set up so its easier for me to work out scores and then for each major race or group of races (Giro, Tour, Vuelta, Worlds, Cobbled Classics, Ardennes Classics) each team manager picks a team of 8 players and those scores are used for the competition.  That means you can rotate and drop players on holiday and also so that I can drop myself for the classics 😀

    Anyway, at this point in time I'm just curious to see how many people would be interested (we need probably 50-100 to make it worthwhile) and what kind of score system we should use (averages, total of all players, total of all excluding the best/worst etc).

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  • August 26, 2013 at 9:40 pm #753865
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    chiv30

    Well as I can’t get away to
    Well as I can’t get away to watch the tdf next year……I’m in although not sure who would pick me so perhaps make it a lottery type affair to pick the teams with say top 5 in fs league as next years captains to mix it up?

    August 26, 2013 at 9:39 pm #753863
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    TERatcliffe26

    Im up for this
    Im up for this

    August 26, 2013 at 9:10 pm #753861
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    drheaton

    Oh, and based on Ghedebrav’s
    Oh, and based on Ghedebrav’s terminology I’d possibly suggest two rules on selection:

    1. Every player in a team must feature in the squad for at least one race
    2. Every player must be left out of the squad for at least one race

    That means that everyone gets to be in the squad for at least one race and nobody can be included throughout meaning you have to tactically choose when to pick/drop your players.

    August 26, 2013 at 9:06 pm #753859
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    drheaton

    Ghedebrav wrote:OK, before I

    Ghedebrav wrote:
    OK, before I explain why I’m confused, I’m going to bust out some terminology for this comment:

    PLAYER = an individual such as myself who plays the fine game of road.cc fantasy cycling
    SQUAD = the nine cyclists a player picks for a race/stage
    TEAM = a group of 10-12 players whose squad points are averaged out and then ranked against other teams.

    So we’re saying then that a nominated captain will pick eight players from his/her team of 10-12, based presumably on (a) whether they’re on hols and (b) how good they are at the game, and these teams will compete against each other in the major event competitions over the season.

    So as an individual player who is part of a team, I still play exactly the same way as I do now, except that the points that I score will affect the points of the team of which I’m a member (presuming I’ve been picked)? And I’ll assume also that this is a ‘standard’ comp rather than a purist one.

    If I’ve understood that correctly, then yeah, I’ll get involved to ruin some poor team’s chances of winning anything :D

    That’s the idea, yeah.

    I’m happy to look at team size and anything else once we get an idea of how many are interested. Five per team is good but fairly small, 9 or up to 12 my be hard to do if we can’t get the numbers.

    I like the idea of team tactics but largely its just a case of playing as normal. By having the option to pick/drop players then we can go on our holidays as normal without letting down our teams too. It also means that you can have a classics ‘specialist’ in your team just for the classics.

    August 26, 2013 at 8:48 pm #753857
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    Ghedebrav

    OK, before I explain why I’m
    OK, before I explain why I’m confused, I’m going to bust out some terminology for this comment:

    PLAYER = an individual such as myself who plays the fine game of road.cc fantasy cycling
    SQUAD = the nine cyclists a player picks for a race/stage
    TEAM = a group of 10-12 players whose squad points are averaged out and then ranked against other teams.

    So we’re saying then that a nominated captain will pick eight players from his/her team of 10-12, based presumably on (a) whether they’re on hols and (b) how good they are at the game, and these teams will compete against each other in the major event competitions over the season.

    So as an individual player who is part of a team, I still play exactly the same way as I do now, except that the points that I score will affect the points of the team of which I’m a member (presuming I’ve been picked)? And I’ll assume also that this is a ‘standard’ comp rather than a purist one.

    If I’ve understood that correctly, then yeah, I’ll get involved to ruin some poor team’s chances of winning anything 😀

    August 26, 2013 at 8:46 pm #753855
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    johnny2names

    Nice idea. Maybe you could
    Nice idea. Maybe you could make the teams a bit smaller, say 5 players each, and keep score of best 3 ( like team comp in WT events?). That way you feel ou contribute more to the team- in a team of 12 your contribution is likely to be minor so might feel less involved.Also, is there any possibility of team specific forum threads? Ie only available to the players in the same team? That way tactics could be employed- say on a stage like today ( vuelta no 3) some players might go for gc riders, others for punchy sprinters to cover all bases. So team play comes into the picture…. Although that means sacrificing your individual chances 😕
    Maybe give participating players a 3rd team specific to team comp 😀

    Whichever way you decide to go, I’m happy to participate! Nice idea sir.

    August 26, 2013 at 8:16 pm #753853
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    livestrongnick

    Top idea Dr H. count me in
    Top idea Dr H. count me in 😀

    August 26, 2013 at 7:49 pm #753851
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    drheaton

    Yeah, I got in a bit of a mix
    Yeah, I got in a bit of a mix using the terms ‘players’ and ‘teams’ so its not the clearest explanation.

    Other than having a handful of players to ‘run’ the teams there shouldn’t be a great deal of extra work needed, you just join a league for your team and then I do a bit of maths after each race.

    The team ‘owners’ or ‘captains’ would be the only ones with any responsibilities, they would have to ‘pick’ their team ahead of each race.

    On the other hand, we could just have 9 players per team and each one competes in each race. Whatever people are happiest with.

    August 26, 2013 at 7:45 pm #753849
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    Stumps

    As for scoring, if the the
    As for scoring, if the the leagues all have the same number of teams then add all the scores in a league and divide by the number of teams.

    Maybe we could test out a “captain” rider who, like fantasy footie, gets double points but you have to nominate him prior to a race ?

    August 26, 2013 at 7:41 pm #753847
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    Stumps

    Aye, i understood it after a
    Aye, i understood it after a couple of read throughs, spent the day picking fruit at a local farm and i think i got to much sun on my head 🙁

    August 26, 2013 at 7:33 pm #753845
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    drheaton

    Yeah, it’d only run on free
    Yeah, it’d only run on free to play races to try and open it up to more people. Grand tours and free entry classics.

    If it wasn’t clear then try this as an example using three men teams as an example:

    Team 1, drheaton, Gkam, Dave Atkinson
    Team 2, wig_billy, TERatcliffe, Stumps
    Team 3, Enrique, livestrongnick, JAndrewHill

    We’d use some combination of each players scores over the race to determine which ‘team’ wins the race so either sum of each players total score, sum of of the middle scores (excludes the best and worst to avoid one player carrying a team etc) or something along those lines, scoring is open to debate.

    August 26, 2013 at 7:26 pm #753843
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    Stumps

    It took me a few times
    It took me a few times reading this before i got what you were on about.

    Now that i know then count me in, it sounds really good but are you going to include non premium players as they would not normally be included in some of the races ?

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