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August 26, 2013 at 5:30 pm #19702
drheaton
Autumn is here, the Vuelta has started and we're beginning to think about the World Championships. That means that it's the traditional time for me to open up a 'suggestion' and 'request' thread where you can outline how you'd like the game to change for next season and what you think has worked particularly well this year.
Despite the fact that I'm now involved in a small way with running the game (namely, updating start lists and results) as in previous years this is very much unofficial and just a place for everyone to get together and bounce some ideas around. Nothing may come of them but Dave has always been great at incorporating good ideas from the community where possible.
For reference, you can find the 2012 and 2013 threads here:
"Suggestions for the 2013 season"
So, what do you think has worked well this year and what would you like to see change?
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drheaton
bobmilligan wrote:I played
bobmilligan wrote:I played the premium game this year and would like to see more space between races. There were times this year when it was a bit of chore to play because of a stack up in races. Picking fewer riders in the smaller races might help this.Having said that, don’t tinker with the game too much. This year’s format was very good, nice interface and I liked the medals and rider info boxes.
An Android app would be great.
I think it’s a common complaint that the calendar can get a little crowded but unfortunately that’s a reflection of the actual race calendar. With major races like the Dauphine and Tour de Suisse happening at the same time it’s hard for the fantasy game to be spread out without missing genuinely big races.
What has been discussed by a few of us is ways of trying to stop people feeling like they have to play every race. The overall table is something that everyone looks at and it means that you feel you need to be competing at your strongest in every race to maintain your position. With all the extra races I don’t think that’s something which is actually beneficial for the game.
Each race is it’s own competition and if I could I’d remove the overall table entirely. Either that or replace it with a system that means you can miss a few races and not necessarily suffer. Perhaps a ‘world tour’ style points system where an overall placing in the top 200 (or whatever) earns you some points and those go towards your ‘ranking’ as well as some stage points/badge points or something similar. That would mean that there would be no difference between finishing in 201st and 5001st and you’d be able to just pick and choose your races.
For anyone who’s in the ‘Forum Scorum’ league where ray silvester posts winners of each race within the league in a single thread I think that is more fun than an overall table. Having a record of winners is great.
serge78 wrote:Need to get rid of the 10 points for last rider to finish. It is an improvement on points for last on GC, but is now just mainly down to luck.Increase points from 5 to 10 for team mates of the stage winner.
No points for young jersey.
Maybe unlimited transfers for purist teams between all races. It was impossible to pick a team for some of the early season Italian races when the teams weren’t the same never mind the riders.
I agree that points for lanterne rouge can just come down to luck but in some cases there are patterns and having those points there gives those you can spot the patterns a chance to earn some points. It’s also a risk keeping a sprinter in your team in the mountains in case they get lanterne rouge so while it’s luck it’s also something to think about when picking your team.
Probably wouldn’t agree on increasing team mate points or abolishing young rider points (what’s your reasoning for wanting to get rid of those points by the way?) because I like the points as they are. The points basis is fairly simple but because there are little amounts of points available for different things these add layers of complexity to the game and this all feeds into the tactics of picking a team. If you have the choice between two people and one might earn young rider points it adds another consideration and I like that.
Regarding the classics and transfers, I agree that every year it gets messy with people not understanding how transfers work and what purists can/can’t do between races. Something needs to be done but I’m not sure giving unlimited transfers is that. Unlimited transfers has it’s benefits, namely simplicity and consistency but it takes away alot of the challenge of the main game by allowing you to pick a whole new team for each race. I like that you need to weigh up the choice between picking a specialist for one race or picking someone likely to race three in a row etc. That being said, I think unlimited transfers may be the way to go.
Another option may be to change the way the races are grouped. Smaller groupings of more similar races might make it easier to pick a team across races whilst keeping the feeling that the classics are one long story rather than lots of little races. For me, watching the classics this year, for the first time I’ve started to see how the classics are not so much half a dozen separate races but more similar to a short stage race with three for four rest days between stages.
serge78
Need to get rid of the 10
Need to get rid of the 10 points for last rider to finish. It is an improvement on points for last on GC, but is now just mainly down to luck.Increase points from 5 to 10 for team mates of the stage winner.
No points for young jersey.
Maybe unlimited transfers for purist teams between all races. It was impossible to pick a team for some of the early season Italian races when the teams weren’t the same never mind the riders.
bobmilligan
I played the premium game
I played the premium game this year and would like to see more space between races. There were times this year when it was a bit of chore to play because of a stack up in races. Picking fewer riders in the smaller races might help this.Having said that, don’t tinker with the game too much. This year’s format was very good, nice interface and I liked the medals and rider info boxes.
An Android app would be great.
drheaton
I agree that the purist comp
I agree that the purist comp is an important part of the game for me and I enjoy it just as much as the ‘main’ game.Personally I’d like to see it made more of, especially now that every premium account has a purist team accessible automatically. Whether its through making it higher profile through bigger prizes or by just increasing uptake by making it more enjoyable (a set of purist specific badges for example) I’d just like to see more people playing purist and enjoying the unique challenge it offers.
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Not a fan of the captain
Not a fan of the captain idea, would just encourage people towards those big hitters even more than we currently do. Plus I like the game because the concept is simple. Let’s not get adding too many bells and whistles! In terms of race numbers, I play purist for the very reason that I like less rather than more races. Whatever you do, please don’t phase out purist!
enrique
Dave Atkinson wrote:…you’ll
Dave Atkinson wrote:…you’ll get more cash for the bigger races…Sweet! :X
dave atkinson
drheaton wrote:I suspect that
drheaton wrote:I suspect that it’d take some serious programming because everything has been set up around 9 riders however budget wise I’d think just reducing the budget by 10 or 15 credits for each rider lost might work?So, for 8 guys you may have a budget of 135 or 140 credits, for 6 guys you’d have something between 105 and 120 credits.
I believe that the 150 credits cap is relatively flexible and could in theory vary by race but Dave’d have to confirm that.
one thing that’s pretty much definite for next season is that each race will have its own budget. so you’ll get more cash for the bigger races
chrisdstripes
I think if you’re going to
I think if you’re going to deviate from 9 riders per fantasy team, it should be based on the number of riders starting the race, as opposed to the number of riders per team. EG If a race has 25 teams of 6, I’d want to be able to pick more than 6 riders for my fantasy team from a startlist of 150. But actually I’d rather it stayed at 9 – I think I’d enjoy the game less if options were limited.drheaton
I suspect that it’d take some
I suspect that it’d take some serious programming because everything has been set up around 9 riders however budget wise I’d think just reducing the budget by 10 or 15 credits for each rider lost might work?So, for 8 guys you may have a budget of 135 or 140 credits, for 6 guys you’d have something between 105 and 120 credits.
I believe that the 150 credits cap is relatively flexible and could in theory vary by race but Dave’d have to confirm that.
Stumps
It would work but then we
It would work but then we have to start changing the 150 credits for each race that there are different numbers of riders.Dont know if its possible on the computer programme the lads use to run the game ?????
Its a good idea though.
drheaton
I have a question. It
I have a question. It appears that some races are reducing team sizes to 5,6 or 8 riders and it’s clearly something that the UCI are keen to experiment with.What does everyone think about changing the number of riders in a team depending on the race? If the TdF or Giro drops to 8 riders per team should we?
Just thought I’d put that out there đŸ™‚
Stumps
TER – no problem mate.
TER – no problem mate.TERatcliffe26
Stumps, i wasn’t dismissing
Stumps, i wasn’t dismissing it, i was just purely saying that as it obviously is going to be debated, and the points raised by DrH are the the same as what I would of raised. Equally Dave and many others may see it from your point and thus it be a change that should be added
Stumps
As i said its just a thought,
As i said its just a thought, in fantasy footie you can change your cpt each week. If, and its a BIG if, it was considered the points brought up by DrH would have to be discussed and agreed before anything was done.The way i initally mentioned it was to keep him the same throughout the race whether its a GT or a classic, but its all open to debate. Personally from what i’ve read its a non starter but you cant blame a guy for trying đŸ™‚
TERatcliffe26
I have pretty much the same
I have pretty much the same views as Drheaton on the captain idea -
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