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August 26, 2013 at 5:30 pm #19702
drheaton
Autumn is here, the Vuelta has started and we're beginning to think about the World Championships. That means that it's the traditional time for me to open up a 'suggestion' and 'request' thread where you can outline how you'd like the game to change for next season and what you think has worked particularly well this year.
Despite the fact that I'm now involved in a small way with running the game (namely, updating start lists and results) as in previous years this is very much unofficial and just a place for everyone to get together and bounce some ideas around. Nothing may come of them but Dave has always been great at incorporating good ideas from the community where possible.
For reference, you can find the 2012 and 2013 threads here:
"Suggestions for the 2013 season"
So, what do you think has worked well this year and what would you like to see change?
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dave atkinson
picking a team of nine riders
picking a team of nine riders for the whole season is pretty pointless, in my opinion.That’s a fair idea, weighting
That’s a fair idea, weighting the points towards the major races and making the smaller races less relevant to the ‘overall’ would mean that performance in bigger races is more rewarded than performance in smaller races and allow people to feel like they weren’t missing out by skipping a couple of races that would barely affect the competition.That being said, people will always try and keep up with their rivals and I doubt there’s much that would allow stop people from feeling like they need to compete in every race.
Personally I think a UCI points style system could work where points are awarded to the top finishers on a stage (top 20 teams?) then to the top in the overall at the end of the race (top 100?) in such a way that it means that for the overall points table finishin 101st is exactly the same as not competing. Not sure how it’d work in practice though.
leortp
I wonder if a ranking system
I wonder if a ranking system could be possible in some shape way or form – perhaps for the overall points total? Not 100% on official UCI terminology so bear with me. Could be done by putting different badges that only recognise Grand Tour and Mounment achievements, or if it was done around point scoring it’d be something like:For all World Tour Races you get 100% of the the points
for all 2.1 you get 75% of the points
for all 2.2 you get 50%this way it should appease those people who can’t keep up with all the races as it won’t affect their overall standing too much – the people who do all the races still get badges, stage wins etc. to play for, and it mirrors real cycling a bit more in that yeah it’s great if you win a smaller race but it’s not as good as winning a stage in a Grand Tour or a monument.
Or perhaps having a seperate ranking system that just tots up points from the monuments and world tours so people can prioritize? Maybe this exists by virtue of premium and non premium rankings actually?
benji p
Gkam84 wrote:I think its
Gkam84 wrote:I think its better to stick to World Tour races, as “certain” website’s that helped us seem to want to make money now and are not interested in linking up.I guess I don’t understand what you’re trying to say, Gkam. I have no idea what you’re talking about. What was it that these “certain” websites did for you, helped you with, with respect to the smaller races? Startlists?
What do you mean that “someone (team’s) should pay for it”? Pay for what? Again. start lists? Or what other information is it they want you to pay for?
And, just to make it clear, when you say you think we should stick to the World Tour races, does that mean you’re proposing we get rid of anything that’s not World Tour, like all the Early Classics races we had, the Giro del Trentino, the Tour de Mediterraneen, the Tour of Oman, Tour of Qatar, the Volta ao Algarve, the Tour of California, the USA Pro Cycling Challenge and the Tour of Britain?
If that’s what you mean, I guess I don’t get what it is that’s difficult about getting info for these races.
I ‘d like to see your ideas on setting up a site with historical race data. That sounds pretty cool, actually, although PCS has done such a great job with that that I would hope you can come up with an awesome design or include Roadcc FC scores in some way so it doesn’t replicate PCS. If it’s as slick in design and function as the Roadcc game is, I know I’d stop visiting PCS immediately! Good luck!
enrique
leortp wrote:A Season Long
leortp wrote:A Season Long Purist… would just be an extra option in the competition selection that is always open. Pick 9 riders and thats it. done and done before the TDU starts.I like this idea. Can I suggest something that might be pretty cool to look at before this one gets rolled out? Dave, could we have a Roadcc Fantasy Cycling Top 20 or so for each of the stage classifications, Top 20, and their total points accrued, for Flat Finishes, Top 20, and their total points accrued, for High Mountains, by the way does that include High Mountain Summit Finishes, Top 20, and their total points accrued, for Medium Mountians? I think it’d be kind of cool to see the riders sorted out in place by how they did in each type of stage and their total points, if possible, by type of stage.
enrique
I was just looking at the
I was just looking at the Rankings page and wondering if it’s up to date as far as including the last points from the last races. Just wanted to see the totals for all riders after the whole season. If they’re not up to date, can they be updated to reflect the last points garnered from Beijing? 🙂 Thanks! 🙂TERatcliffe26
From my point of view I love
From my point of view I love the smaller races, as I like the element of people having to know more about the lesser teams, and also I think you can focus on them as you know they are going to be over after about 5 days, rather than continually having to be switched on for 3 weeks like a grand tourAs for overlapping, I really dont mind it, as if im playing one race then im on the site anyway and dont mind playing another. In terms of the overlapping, most are big WT races and part of the premium, and new layout was to allow both races like PN and TA to be in the game. As for you the Oman/Volta, I much prefer the Volta as a race, as I find both Qatar and Oman rather boring compared to most.
Id like San-Luis in too, and coincides with getting people into the game when the TDU is going on, but maybe too much too early in the season.
Another clash is the Giro and ToC, but I love the ToC as it is on at night after work, and also doesn’t clash in terms of TV coverage, and I always find the american races pretty interesting
livestrongnick wrote:The fact
livestrongnick wrote:The fact that we’ve already played the above mentioned races means that they should be easier to run next year knowing the in’s and out’s of the jerseys etc!!I’m easy and will play what ever races you can chuck in. Maybe a couple more to finish of october? ie; chronos de nations?
I like the Spring classics but suck at them, maybe just stick to the Major ones!
On the otherside the Autumn classics where a nice addition which i was great at! :DI’m with you.
livestrongnick
The fact that we’ve already
The fact that we’ve already played the above mentioned races means that they should be easier to run next year knowing the in’s and out’s of the jerseys etc!!I’m easy and will play what ever races you can chuck in. Maybe a couple more to finish of october? ie; chronos de nations?
I like the Spring classics but suck at them, maybe just stick to the Major ones!
On the otherside the Autumn classics where a nice addition which i was great at! 😀stevemarks
drheaton wrote:Out of
drheaton wrote:Out of interest, how do people feel about overlapping races? Should overlapping stage races be avoided where possible or are you OK with it?I’m just looking at the provisional UCI calendar for next year and things like the Tour of Oman and Volta ao Algarve overlap each other significantly as do races like Paris-Nice/Tirreno-Adriatico and then you’ve got races like the Volta a Catalunya and the Vuelta Pais Vasco which overlap some major classics.
Personally I like that there is some stage racing happening during classics season (because I suck at classics) but concurrent stage races give me a headache and I usually end up ditching one race and concentrating on the other.
I do not have a problem with overlapping races, particularly if they are a stage race and one day races. Sometimes it is a bit of a pain if you cannot watch both races at the same time.
drheaton wrote:From memory,
drheaton wrote:From memory, Algarve, Med, Giro del Trentino and a couple of others were problematic …I hope you don’t get rid of these next year. I really like those races a lot. I read through the thread you posted and didn’t find any issues about info being hard to find except for a race I know nothing about (Le Samyn) where there was no information like the start list, the profiles etc… being available. Yeah, I agree, if you can’t get the profile and a start list, it’s not much fun preparing for the race… I also saw someone suggested adding San Luis. I hope we do!
backflipbedlem
drheaton wrote:Out of
drheaton wrote:Out of interest, how do people feel about overlapping races? Should overlapping stage races be avoided where possible or are you OK with it?
I’m ok with it! Nice to mix it up here and thereOut of interest, how do
Out of interest, how do people feel about overlapping races? Should overlapping stage races be avoided where possible or are you OK with it?I’m just looking at the provisional UCI calendar for next year and things like the Tour of Oman and Volta ao Algarve overlap each other significantly as do races like Paris-Nice/Tirreno-Adriatico and then you’ve got races like the Volta a Catalunya and the Vuelta Pais Vasco which overlap some major classics.
Personally I like that there is some stage racing happening during classics season (because I suck at classics) but concurrent stage races give me a headache and I usually end up ditching one race and concentrating on the other.
See this thread for some
See this thread for some early season discussion on the calendar and a list of competitions:http://road.cc/content/forum/77002-fantasy-cycling-calendar
From memory, Algarve, Med, Giro del Trentino and a couple of others were problematic. We also had issues with races being cancelled during the classics and some chopping and changing of the calendar as we worked to replace the cancelled races at short notice.
drheaton wrote:I’d go for
drheaton wrote:I’d go for more small races, either less prestigious classics or the European week long tours, because I enjoy them from a playing point of view.From an organising point of view though some can be a real nightmare, little to no information ahead of time on what jerseys there are (young riders, sprints, finish line points etc), what points are awarded for what climbs, whether the sprints shown on the profile are all one competition or separate and that’s before you even get to start lists.
These are fun races and add an extra challenge in that previews and odds and other things aren’t freely available but they can be really hard work to run and I understand why some are possibly going to get cut next year.
I think we should concentrate on the best, the highest profile and those with TV coverage because the fantasy game adds to all that. The ones with poor organisation, poor websites and little to no information available though just become frustrating to run and frustrating to play so they should be dropped.
I really liked your suggestion that we add the Tour Mediterranean and the Volta Algarve. As far as the smaller races that are hard to get info for, which might get cut, which are the ones that you are thinking of? I don’t think I can see all the races we had this year so I’m not sure which ones you might be referring to that we might lose.
As far as the information you say is difficult to get, I think most of it has to do with the scoring, right? If it saves any of these smaller races, which I admittedly don’t know which they are, maybe you could just score them like you do the Classics, no KOM, no PC, no Young Rider and giving the guys in the break 10 points at the half-way mark…
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