Tips on 4th cat road racing

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    nicstevenson

    Hi guys,

    Wonder if I could ask a little bit of advice – I’m a keen leisure cyclist, reasonably fit, average ride speed solo is about 19-21mph if I push a little bit… I’ve ridden in groups a bit but not a huge amount.

    And now, as the headline suggests, I’m thinking about trying out racing! I live pretty near to Hillingdon Cycle Circuit and am thinking about trying one of their 4th cat Tuesday night races – just wondered if anyone on here rides them or has done, and if there are any tips you guys might be able to give me?

    In short, I’d like to know if I’m going to get monstered or would I be able to keep up, will it be aggressive, will I crash? Oh and I ride a Boardman Team – will they laugh at me too much?! :&

    I’m not hoping to win or podium, but I’d like to try a race and be able to finish in the group for my first one – after that, who knows!

    Nic

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    Old Cranky

    I’ve raced in the 4th Cat at
    I’ve raced in the 4th Cat at Hillingdon. I think the average speed for the hour was about 24mph, which will be fine for you given the speeds you mention you ride at solo.

    Raleigh’s points are good, but also watch the descent where there are occasional crashes – the track narrows and has a slight jink, so don’t overlap wheels there.

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    nicstevenson

    Wow – thanks a lot Raleigh…
    Wow – thanks a lot Raleigh… that’s a great load of info – although I might be a bit more scared now than I was before!

    Practicing cliping in is a great tip, thanks – it’s something I’m rubbish at… probably a bit more used to the starting / stoppping / slowing / accelerating as I am commuter cyclist, but use bike without clipless pedals for that, so obviously don’t practice clipping in quickly.

    Are you racing there tonight? I’m going to ride down on my home from work to watch I think so I can better idea of what goes on before getting involved.

    Thanks again to everyone who has replied – really grateful for the advice!

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    Raleigh

    OK.
    I race at Hillingdon

    OK.

    I race at Hillingdon every week, sometimes twice. Got some seconds and thirds last year, but still chasing that win. I am though, I think, in a position to offer some helpful tips and advice, tailored to the circuit.

    I race in the E123 group, which is usually smaller than the 4ths, and also quite a bit quicker, but smoother as well.

    Try to get to the startline early so you can be right on the front. What I normally do is to drill it off the line, then if anyone wants to come with you, you may get a nice lead, otherwise at least you can jump into a good position when you get caught.

    Make sure that you are good at clipping in quickly, everyone sprints off the line so if you mess that up you can easily fall behind before the race really starts.

    Hillingdon is a very fast circuit, which shouldn’t worry you; its got no hill. You can pedal through every single corner, trust me. I’ve done it.

    Make sure that you don’t hang around the back of the group, you’ll be grabbing handfuls of brake the whole time, and the acceleration and deceleration will knock you out fairly quickly. Far better to be in the top 10-15 at all times, then you get nice lines through the corners etc.

    If you’re nervous in the sprints, either sit up for the first one, or make sure that you go straight down the middle of the course. Either side, and you’ll be forced onto the grass, which isn’t fun at all.

    The best place to move up is on the inside by the clubhouse, ot if there’s a tailwind on the final straight itself. The radce is normally won or lost on the last but one corner, so make sure that you’ve got a wheel to follow, and get a good line. Try to be in the top 5 there.

    In terms of eating/drinking, the races on tuesdays are normally about an hour and a quarter for the slower group, so you don’t need food. Take a bottle, and get used to drinking at speed, or at least in the natural slow bits.

    Proabably go around the sweeping bends on the hoods for the time being, if it makes you feel safer, I normally do if there are laods of people around me.

    Don’t be spooked by the fourth cats with expensive bikes.

    If you’re not moving up the pack, you’re moving back, even if you’re picking someone’s wheel to sit on the whole time. Ensure that you’re always taking places on corners and slower bits.

    Other than that, just go and do it basically, you’ll enjoy it.
    😀

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    Raleigh

    Just wrote a super long essay
    Just wrote a super long essay about racing at Hillingdon but my Geography teacher made me delete it.

    I’ll try and reproduce it later.

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    Simon E

    Are you sure it wasn’t your
    Are you sure it wasn’t your English teacher, Raleigh?

    😉

    Short and sweet is the key. Concise and precise.

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    mattyb95

    Think the suggestion about
    Think the suggestion about group riding is the best one as it’s usually people not holding lines or unaccustomed to riding in large bunches that either have or cause crashes at Hillingdon and you don’t want that for your first race.

    The accelerations and recovery is also key as that is probably what will kill you quickest rather than the overall average speed which you seem to be quite comfortable with so perhaps try some intervals to try and replicate this, perhaps tabata intervals to simulate the all out push with then minimal recovery before the next one. It’ll hurt but should be worth it if you want to keep up.

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    nicstevenson

    Thanks a lot guys…
    Sounds

    Thanks a lot guys…

    Sounds like I should just knuckle down and do if 🙂

    And I wasn’t worried about the bike being slow or heavy – I love it – just know Boardman’s have a bad rep with some snobbier types!

    Definitely appreciate the advice though…

    Nic

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    pdows47

    I do the Litherland circuit
    I do the Litherland circuit races up here on a £300 roadie, I notice the extra weight coming out of the hair pin, but other than that if you can do that pace you’ll most likely keep up with a Cat 4 race. If it’s anything like the one I do, group riding won’t matter that much, it strings out into a single pace line, so you only have to follow a wheel. But other than that get stuck in, get points, and move up (It seems points are easier to come by in a circuit race than a traditional road race)

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    pmr

    I’ve seen people racing well
    I’ve seen people racing well on £300 bikes and very old machines, if its road worthy then its ok. Never think your equipment is slowing you down unless your body fat is below 8% and you’ve been riding 300hrs+ for a few years.

    You already know the answer – just do it.
    These newbie questions always crop up tho and the usual response is always the same because its important – get as much group riding in as possible, this is the bets preparation and training, you’ll also know pretty much if you’re gonna be ok after several weeks riding in local groups, a lot of which probably already have race experience, so just get out with your local club or chaingang. You’ll find in time that often group rides get harder than races at times!

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    jimmo62

    I started at Castle Combe on
    I started at Castle Combe on a steel Bianchi and no-one laughed at me – A Boardman is a competitive machine at Cat 4 level in the right hands (or should that be legs?). Sounds like you are fit enough to stay with the bunch on average speed but you will have to be careful about the constant accelerations and stay super-aware of what is going on around you. Yes it will be a bit aggressive so concentrate on riding smoothly and keeping your line and HAVE FUN!

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