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May 16, 2013 at 8:39 pm #18806
Jonomc
He’s clearly got a case of the yipps poor lad. Can’t see anyway back for him, can you even be a domestique if you ride down hill like your gran?
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Quote:He would of not stood a
He would of not stood a chance winning last years tour if it was not for other riders in his team AND the course being his favour as it was very tt orientated.No rider could win a GT on their own, no matter what the [i]parcours[/i]. To say so is utterly stupid, cycling (certainly at that level) is 100% a team sport.
As for targeting it, of course they did. Sky knew that course was the best thing for Wiggins in years. Same as when GB targeted the World Champs for Cav, they knew they weren’t going to get a better sprinters course in probably 10 years.
Sky’s strength (and their weakness) is putting all their eggs in one basket, usually a Wiggins shaped one. He’s their star rider but they really need to adapt a bit better to developing conditions on the ground. Not pull Uran back for example. They did the same in the Tour a couple of years ago when they pulled Geraint Thomas back (G at the time was 4th overall and wearing White Jersey). By pulling the whole team back for what proved to be a futile cause, they lost the lot.
But career finished? Certainly not. He’ll recover. And to anyone slagging off his riding, he could ride a unicycle and still annihilate any typical club cyclist. Pros are in a totally different league. Your toughest climb? They’d be in the 53. Your fastest descent? They’d be 5 minutes quicker than you without even trying.
bashthebox
I’m still not sure what your
I’m still not sure what your criticism of Wiggins is though.
Sky ride the GTs on the basic of driving the peloton so hard that it’s really difficult to attack and take time off them. This suits a rider like Wiggins because he doesn’t have that explosive climb of a Nibali or Contador. Could Froome have take more than 3 minutes out of Wiggins on the climbs? Honestly, who knows? It’s pure speculation. Nibali couldn’t, and he’s an incredible climber. The gentler slopes of last year’s TDF obviously played into Wiggo’s hands; he was able to diesel up them and get back on any attacks. He turned out to be the best rider for that tour.
I’ll be honest, I was sceptical over Wiggo’s ability to handle the steeper gradients of the Giro. It’s a shame we weren’t able to see him perform at his best, but I’d wager Nibbles would have come out on top anyway; with so many 20% ramps and technical descents, there’s just too many opportunities to lose time. For the same reason, I can’t see Sky changing their leadership for the Tour. Froome is better on the steep ramps and attacking on the long climbs, and this year’s TDF has more high mountains than ever – and fewer TTs of course. As I said, Wiggo’s hardly a bad plan B to have, is he?Still, I must pull you up on questioning his illness. Wiggo lost minutes on a flat stage before pulling out, when he was previously still in a podium position. He was obviously ill. When has Wiggins ever been dropped on the flat? The man loves his history, and he’s a hell of a competitor. He’s not going to drop out of a race just like that.
Lost faith in the brand
Andy p :
in what way – well
Andy p :in what way – well he was a better rider than wiggins on most days bar the TT, if he wasnt having to help wiggins up most of this hills he would of more than likely had a better overall time than wiggins.
yes he has medals for tt which he is impressive in as most people cant get near him.
your right wiggins is the current tdf champion and there a lot of people that jump on the bandwagon thinking he is amazing because his team won it for him although they cant see that.
it just reminds me of the whole lance bangwagon, obviously now things have changed with that one.
He has only won 1 tour, there are far better riders in the pro peleton who have a much higher ability imo and would be able to win more tours with less of a team.but hey im an imbicile with no cycling knowledge….. 😉
Bashthebox :
agreed my spelling isnt the best so i apologise for that as i genuinly hate it when people post on forums and use text talk for exammple.
but i agree with the whole – there will always be debate. . i put inverted commas in the illess as i personally dont beileve that is the main reason for his sub par results that people expected, he hasnt been riding that great in general in most races this season APART from his tt – as i already mentioned not many people will get close to him in those races.
i just think its an easy cop out to protect him and all his “long serving” fans….
This is an online forum where there are meant to be discussions on topics, its not great when people make it personal calling others imbiciles, so im glad at least some people were able to continue with the discussion which deffinately makes it a more interesting read than other people (some would call them imbiciles apparantly)
also at the moment it looks like there is still speculation regarding the whole – wiggins defending/supporting froome
“Wiggins, who was speaking as he left the Team Sky hotel in Teviso, did not elaborate on whether he would be returning to full strength to support Chris Froome, Sky’s designated leader for the Tour, or whether he saw mounting a defence as being a realistic prospect.”
taken from road cc. sky have said from most articles that i can see that they have taken him out of the giro team so he is fit for the tour, but i havent seen anything from sky saying that he will be defending it.
although this might change soon.
Super Domestique
The TdF was always going to
The TdF was always going to be ‘interesting’ from a Sky point of view. Now thats just increased.Strathlubnaig
2nd in the TT and dont forget
2nd in the TT and dont forget he also had to swap bikes for the puncture, so not a bad effort at all really.Wiggins has his faults for sure, but washed up ? Dont think so. Everyone has highs and lows. He’ll be back at some point, like him or loathe him.
I understand your opinion,
I understand your opinion, but it’s about as valid as your spelling.Cycling is a team sport; no one wins a grand tour on their own. Yes last year’s TDF did indeed play into Wiggo’s hands with the long TTs, and yes Froome was better on the very steep climbs, but there’s no guarantee he’d have taken more than three minutes out of Wiggo on them – but of course one can debate that until the cows come home.
Simple fact is that Wiggo was the leader for Sky, so Froome was riding for him. It’s the way it works in cycling – there’s endless discussion over this rider being capable of beating that rider down the years – Lemond and Hinault is a famous example.
To not have Wiggo lead last year with those TTs would just be daft.Why is illness in inverted commas?
As you mention, Froome does deserve his chance at this year’s TDF – and Sky have confirmed he’ll be their leader. If Wiggo goes, he’s a hell of a plan B. Will be very interesting to see what happens.
andyp
‘froome deserved to win the
‘froome deserved to win the tour more’in what way? he wasn’t even the best rider on his team.
‘just because you dont understand someones opinion does not make them an imbecile’
agreed. Saying a multiple Olympic gold medallist and the current Tour de France champion is ‘crap’, does.
yes im a cycling fan but
yes im a cycling fan but obviously not a wiggins fan 🙂He would of not stood a chance winning last years tour if it was not for other riders in his team AND the course being his favour as it was very tt orientated.
froome deserved to win the tour more and deffinately deserves the chance to go at this years tour, unfortunately it looks like it will be wiggins again and i would happily bet that he stuggles this year like he has in the giro wether it is “illness” influenced or not.
just because you dont understand someones opinion does not make them an imbecile. if this was the case, i would call you all imbeciles 😉
now play nice and dont make things personal when someone disagrees with your bandwagon 🙂
Brilliant. What an imbecile.
Brilliant. What an imbecile.Fuck me. Do you call yourself
Fuck me. Do you call yourself a cycling fan? The ignorance contained within that sentiment is incredible.its not he is ill, its he is
its not he is ill, its he is crap and needs a team to wrap him up in cotton wool and deliver him over the finish line.chest infection my arse.
pcb24
He’s still a legend!
He’s still a legend!it got some people talking,
it got some people talking, and some grunting (as they are incapable of logical thought). Away to the Daily Mail, lads.SimpleSimon
Well, the post got everyone
Well, the post got everyone talking anyway!stepho
What a pile of shite.
The
What a pile of shite.The first british rider to win the tour de france is a washed up has been 10 months later?
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