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  • March 1, 2013 at 1:01 pm #18112
    sporran

    I’ve not posted on here before and not sure if this has been covered, but after being surprised to learn that UKIP have another policy, I thought it might be of interest to road.cc users that they have this to say in their transport policy. Note with particular interest point 10.6:

    10.2 We believe that there needs to be a better balance of rights and responsibilities for pedal cyclists, with too much aggressive abuse of red lights, pedestrian crossings and a lack of basic safety and road courtesy.

    10.6 UKIP would consult on the desirability of minimum third party liability insurance cover for cyclists – a simple annual flat rate registration ‘Cycledisc’, stuck to the bicycle frame, to cover damage to cars and others, which are currently unprotected. The Cycledisc should also carry clear identification details, which will help counter bicycle theft, and deter dangerous cyclist behaviour. We support provision of cycle parking at
    reasonable charges.

    10.7 UKIP believes that basic cycle and safety training should be made mandatory, and be funded in schools or via local authorities. UKIP supports the campaign work of national cycling organisations.

    10.9 Local authorities should be given additional powers to enforce a ‘cyclists dismount’ or ‘no cycling’ regulation where there are safety concerns – such as on busy roundabouts, junctions or bus lanes, or where the road would be too narrowed by cycle lanes and cause
    unacceptable delays to traffic

    Unbelievable.

    Source: http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/UKIPtransport.pdf

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  • May 15, 2014 at 3:04 pm #719779
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    andyp

    ‘happen to think there are
    ‘happen to think there are more important things than a party’s position on cycling… ‘

    well, quite. Like, are they complete racist mentalists or not.

    May 15, 2014 at 3:03 pm #719777
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    eurotrash

    Oh dear, the usual “racist”
    Oh dear, the usual “racist” slurs… yawn. As someone who will be voting for UKIP in the euro elections, I don’t agree with their cycling “policies” (if indeed they are such) but happen to think there are more important things than a party’s position on cycling…

    May 15, 2014 at 2:41 pm #719775
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    surly_by_name

    zanf

    zanf wrote:
    FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:
    Actually the right to freedom of movement is indeed a fundamental right.

    Your stance seems to amount to saying you have no right not to be punched because in some other places people get shot.

    Both rights and democracy are a continuum not an absolute binary thing

    And the lack of understanding that they are leads to them being eroded

    surly_by_name wrote:
    This is a (“fucking”) massive overreaction to bobdelamare’s on the whole quite innocuous post.

    No it wasnt.

    If you think that you are going to be able to browse ANY forum anywhere on the net and not see vernacular language, then not only are you naive beyond hope but youre a fucking idiot, and ripe for having the piss ripped out of you.

    The only way to do something about it is not to bleat like a hopeless fucking lamb and hope someone comes to your rescue but be proactive about it. Greasemonkey in one such tool and there will have been someone that would have created a simple pattern match replace script. All it takes is a little searching. [Try starting here: http://userscripts.org:8080/scripts/show/4175%5D

    As for this part….

    surly_by_name wrote:
    Speaking of a “fundamental right” of access to the public highways is idiotic (although maybe not quite as idiotic as the “tyrant” bit) and belittles those who don’t enjoy those rights that are, in fact, fundamental. Maybe get a sense of (“fucking”) proportion.

    …shows that you do not have a fucking clue. If you cannot grasp that anyone who tries to assert authority (without consent) over you is a tyrant, especially when it comes to freedom of movement then you should immediately carry out the Sylvia Plath method of attaining a higher level of consciousness.

    You are a self absorbed cretin. Next time you get to the end of a railway platform and read the words “no passengers beyond this point”, I would urge you to exercise your fundamental right to access the railway tracks, ideally immediately prior to the arrival of several tons of rolling stock.

    If that doesn’t rid the world of you at least you can vote UKIP and mean it.

    May 15, 2014 at 2:33 pm #719773
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    surly_by_name

    FluffyKittenofTindalos

    FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

    Actually the right to freedom of movement is indeed a fundamental right.

    Your stance seems to amount to saying you have no right not to be punched because in some other places people get shot.

    Both rights and democracy are a continuum not an absolute binary thing.

    For what it’s worth, both the EU Charter and the UN’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights recognise a right to freedom of movement. I began writing a long and quite involved response and then I realised I was doing it too – so I stopped. I don’t have a stance. This is a website. For cycling enthusiasts. While I expect a generally pro cycling attitude to prevail, I don’t have time for extremist views including because they are very tedious. There is sooooooo much more wrong with UKIP than their policy on bicycles. Can we get back to bikes now?

    May 15, 2014 at 2:26 pm #719771
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    zanf

    FluffyKittenofTindalos

    FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:
    Actually the right to freedom of movement is indeed a fundamental right.

    Your stance seems to amount to saying you have no right not to be punched because in some other places people get shot.

    Both rights and democracy are a continuum not an absolute binary thing

    And the lack of understanding that they are leads to them being eroded

    surly_by_name wrote:
    This is a (“fucking”) massive overreaction to bobdelamare’s on the whole quite innocuous post.

    No it wasnt.

    If you think that you are going to be able to browse ANY forum anywhere on the net and not see vernacular language, then not only are you naive beyond hope but youre a fucking idiot, and ripe for having the piss ripped out of you.

    The only way to do something about it is not to bleat like a hopeless fucking lamb and hope someone comes to your rescue but be proactive about it. Greasemonkey in one such tool and there will have been someone that would have created a simple pattern match replace script. All it takes is a little searching. [Try starting here: http://userscripts.org:8080/scripts/show/4175%5D

    As for this part….

    surly_by_name wrote:
    Speaking of a “fundamental right” of access to the public highways is idiotic (although maybe not quite as idiotic as the “tyrant” bit) and belittles those who don’t enjoy those rights that are, in fact, fundamental. Maybe get a sense of (“fucking”) proportion.

    …shows that you do not have a fucking clue. If you cannot grasp that anyone who tries to assert authority (without consent) over you is a tyrant, especially when it comes to freedom of movement then you should immediately carry out the Sylvia Plath method of attaining a higher level of consciousness.

    May 15, 2014 at 2:07 pm #719769
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    LondonDynaslow

    This is a shame, because I am
    This is a shame, because I am a racist but I am also a cyclist. NOW who do I vote for?

    May 15, 2014 at 1:44 pm #719767
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    FluffyKittenofTindalos

    surly_by_name wrote:zanf

    surly_by_name wrote:
    zanf wrote:
    bobdelamare wrote:
    I strongly object to most of the policies in the UKIP quote but I also object to the use of mindless abuse.

    Why are there no moderators on this forum to remove the f word and such like?

    Are you fucking serious?

    Go and spend some time to see if someone has created a greasemonkey script to remove ‘offensive’ language from web pages that pretty little princesses like yourself, are too delicate to read!

    As for this UKIP policy: for a self proclaimed ‘libertarian’ party, introducing compulsory licensing and insurance for bicycles seems fairly authoritarian to me, and immediately does away with cyclists fundamental right of access to the public highways.

    Anyone who even speaks of doing such a thing is a tyrant and can get fucked.

    This is a (“fucking”) massive overreaction to bobdelamare’s on the whole quite innocuous post. Speaking of a “fundamental right” of access to the public highways is idiotic (although maybe not quite as idiotic as the “tyrant” bit) and belittles those who don’t enjoy those rights that are, in fact, fundamental. Maybe get a sense of (“fucking”) proportion.

    Actually the right to freedom of movement is indeed a fundamental right.

    Your stance seems to amount to saying you have no right not to be punched because in some other places people get shot.

    Both rights and democracy are a continuum not an absolute binary thing.

    Anyway, its news to me that UKIP even have any policies. Hasn’t Farage already declared they are all now cancelled?

    They seem to be more of a ‘mood’ than a party with policies.

    May 15, 2014 at 1:22 pm #719765
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    surly_by_name

    zanf wrote:bobdelamare

    zanf wrote:
    bobdelamare wrote:
    I strongly object to most of the policies in the UKIP quote but I also object to the use of mindless abuse.

    Why are there no moderators on this forum to remove the f word and such like?

    Are you fucking serious?

    Go and spend some time to see if someone has created a greasemonkey script to remove ‘offensive’ language from web pages that pretty little princesses like yourself, are too delicate to read!

    As for this UKIP policy: for a self proclaimed ‘libertarian’ party, introducing compulsory licensing and insurance for bicycles seems fairly authoritarian to me, and immediately does away with cyclists fundamental right of access to the public highways.

    Anyone who even speaks of doing such a thing is a tyrant and can get fucked.

    This is a (“fucking”) massive overreaction to bobdelamare’s on the whole quite innocuous post. Speaking of a “fundamental right” of access to the public highways is idiotic (although maybe not quite as idiotic as the “tyrant” bit) and belittles those who don’t enjoy those rights that are, in fact, fundamental. Maybe get a sense of (“fucking”) proportion.

    May 15, 2014 at 1:18 pm #719763
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    surly_by_name

    Forester wrote:Having done a

    Forester wrote:
    Having done a lot of riding in recent years I have found that the majority of horse riders appreciate a warning such as ‘bike coming’ and great care when you approach them in high vis clothing. Horses are not intelligent

    Are you suggesting that one should approach UKIP members in the same way?

    May 15, 2014 at 1:09 pm #719761
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    dafyddp

    UKIP are to the UK what the
    UKIP are to the UK what the Tea Party is to the US. They thrive on small-minded, little-England, NIMBY fears and profess bold solutions regardless of long-term social damage. Worst still, they don’t actually need to gain power in order to disrupt progress – the fear of their popularity is drawing a centrist Tory party ever rightward.
    The coalition doesn’t have many fans because consensus politics requires small steps and negotiated progress, but the only sustainable way we can move away from a two party Punch and Judy stalemate will be through local, national and international consensus.
    Im not a huge fan of Stewart Lee, but his recent gag about UKIP as a protest vote hits the nail on the head http://pic.twitter.com/5UKWxE9MGu

    May 15, 2014 at 12:48 pm #719759
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    zanf

    bobdelamare wrote:I strongly

    bobdelamare wrote:
    I strongly object to most of the policies in the UKIP quote but I also object to the use of mindless abuse.

    Why are there no moderators on this forum to remove the f word and such like?

    Are you fucking serious?

    Go and spend some time to see if someone has created a greasemonkey script to remove ‘offensive’ language from web pages that pretty little princesses like yourself, are too delicate to read!

    As for this UKIP policy: for a self proclaimed ‘libertarian’ party, introducing compulsory licensing and insurance for bicycles seems fairly authoritarian to me, and immediately does away with cyclists fundamental right of access to the public highways.

    Anyone who even speaks of doing such a thing is a tyrant and can get fucked.

    May 15, 2014 at 12:40 pm #719757
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    hood

    wow, their caveman like ideas
    wow, their caveman like ideas are scary. they are literally a party from the dark ages

    May 15, 2014 at 12:28 pm #719755
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    lolol

    Just to add “cyclists
    Just to add “cyclists Dismount” signs are advisory, not mandatory anyway, so there cant be any enforcement.

    May 15, 2014 at 12:28 pm #719753
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    lolol

    Just to add “cyclists
    Just to add “cyclists Dismount” signs are advisory, not mandatory anyway, so there cant be any enforcement.

    May 15, 2014 at 8:32 am #719751
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    farrell

    argotittilius wrote:”cycle

    argotittilius wrote:
    ”cycle training” is made up of moving off, stopping, steering round a traffic cone, and making sure you can stick your arm out without wobbling – how thats going to stop people getting flattened by trucks I don’t know.
    When I did it, we were actually shouted at for taking the lane, and even for riding more than about a metre from the curb.

    The UKIP cycling training is somewhat different and actually encourages riding in a primary position. Well, the far right anyway…

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