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January 21, 2013 at 11:10 am #17732
drheaton
Not sure if you've seen it but in case you lot haven't, I've challenged TERatcliffe this year to pick a squad of riders and try and run a 'proper' fantasy team through the season.
We'll both be blogging about it through the year and the first posts are up (/blog). Anyway, you lot are free to pick your own squads too and keep us all informed of how you're doing either on here or in the blog comments. I've set up a league and if you've got any questions, let me know.
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If you want to take part the list of rider values you'll need is here http://db.tt/1rO7IFhq and check out my post here /content/blog/74271-big-unveil for rules etc.
RUNNING UPDATE:
World Tour Points – 1037 total / 851 based on top 5 riders
Fantasy points total: 2583
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I have you on 83 WT points
I have you on 83 WT points and me on 77. Will email you the spreadsheet after Tirreno anywayI’ll write up a blog post
I’ll write up a blog post once TA is finished but Paris-Nice has gone fairly well. Stage wins from Kittel and Bouhanni along with a strong showing from Keldermann in the prologue and an 8th overall from Westra mean that I’m happy but I haven’t scored as many WT points as I would have liked.I’ll need to check but after Paris-Nice I think I’m on around 87, it leaves me 6th overall in the WT rankings sitting between Movistar and Radioshack but over 100 points behind Sky in first place.
If Sky win TA too with Froome then my aim of beating them looks to have gotten off to a bad start.
On the bright side, if we take 500 World Tour points as being the amount I need to get in order to avoid ‘relegation’ (15th place or higher at year end usually guarantees continuation of a license, last year 15th was Saxo on 401 but they under scored heavily so I expect it to be higher this year) then 87 from two and a bit races is strong and I shouldn’t have too much trouble getting to 500.
For Paris-Nice as far as WT
For Paris-Nice as far as WT points go Ive had a second from Gilbert and Iglinsky, a win from Kittel and two 5th places for Ulissi giving me 16 points, Just joping Ulissi can hang in for a top 10 finish and more WT pointsAs for Tirreno a win for Sagan and a 3rd for Greipel
Will do another blog to go up next weekend I think, so you can check out my team there
Again none of my neo-pros doing anything for me to write about. May do a piece on Kwiatowski, as he has been the best youngster show anything over these two races
Paris Nice looking good.
Paris Nice looking good. Stages from Talansky and Kittel, Izagirre got a podium. Other positives are consistent top 20s from Roche, usually in close formation with Sorenson (who I didn’t shortlist).Sadly de Gendt, Gutierrez and JTL have pulled out.
On a broader note, Iglinsky who I haven’t shortlisted got a second and Fuglsang has pulled out. Voigt and Roy have both been in breaks, showing the team colours.
So all in all I’m happy. Talansky is developing nicely and van Garderen is looking solid rather than exceptional.
Tirreno has been as expected a bit of a let down. Ok Cav took the jersey in the TTT, but since then we have a problem, seems the guys aren’t leading him out, instead some blokes from some O Meagre Farmer Blotto have been mucking about… đŸ™‚
The other main positive so far is Dowsett. Excellent showing in the TTT and top 20 in a flat stage. Quite pleased with him. Roux has been in a break, showing the jersey, so he’s doing the job I hired him for.
The big disappointment was Cancellara who seemed to be towing a load of dead weight round the TTT. In the form of Andy and the rest of Team Wireless House Cat’s Road Trip who it seems he snagged on his rear mech and towed round the course. đŸ˜‰
Glad Andy finished Camaiore, but he looked unconvincing at Strada, and he needs to finish Tirreno. Just finish, anywhere in the field. Doesn’t matter if he’s 20 minutes down, just please finish a stage race.
Looking forward to pouching some WT points though, and hopefully doing some catchup.
Kittel may be redeeming himself, though there seems to be a dearth of top sprinters at Paris Nice. They all seem to be riding Tirreno. And Sagan… As DS I must talk to Cav again about his press conferences. Again.
Now I need to go and sort out JTL for the Classics. Really needed him to finish PN psychologically. Still top 10 at Amstel will make up for it.
TERatcliffe26 wrote:drheaton
TERatcliffe26 wrote:drheaton wrote:Man, how could I forget such a superstar…He got you 1 point yesterday ;)
My hero.
drheaton wrote:Man, how could
drheaton wrote:Man, how could I forget such a superstar…He got you 1 point yesterday đŸ˜‰
Man, how could I forget such
Man, how could I forget such a superstar…drheaton wrote:My Paris-Nice
drheaton wrote:My Paris-Nice is going ok so far, Bouhanni and Kittel hav picked up stages, Kelderman showed well in the prologue and both Westra and Quintana are looking strong. The only downside is my first major injury of the year losing Bouhanni.My Tirreno-Adriatico team is:
Cavendish
Demare
Cancellara
Vanendert
Vanmarcke
Nordhaug
Sammy Sanchez
Andy SchleckLooking strong with the leaders jersey after the TTT and a good chance of a result today. Overall though it’s a much weaker team than my PN team with no real GC prospects in there.
You have Devolder too
My Paris-Nice is going ok so
My Paris-Nice is going ok so far, Bouhanni and Kittel hav picked up stages, Kelderman showed well in the prologue and both Westra and Quintana are looking strong. The only downside is my first major injury of the year losing Bouhanni.My Tirreno-Adriatico team is:
Cavendish
Demare
Cancellara
Vanendert
Vanmarcke
Nordhaug
Sammy Sanchez
Andy SchleckLooking strong with the leaders jersey after the TTT and a good chance of a result today. Overall though it’s a much weaker team than my PN team with no real GC prospects in there.
Also, on the automated draft
Also, on the automated draft you could specify a GC or PC cap so when you hit that limit on sprinters you ignore the top guy on your list if he’s classified as a sprinter and move on to the next.NFL draft works in a way that
NFL draft works in a way that order is swapped each round so.the last in the first round gets first second round pick. I’ll dig out the order later.Fantasy NFL draft also can be automated. You give all the riders a preference (in order) and when your pick comes up you get the rider who’s highest on your list and still available. It works but its not ideal as you don’t have control over the balance of riders and might end up with loads of GC guys and no sprinters. Perhaps a half and half system could work? You automate a draft for 5 rounds or 12 rounds giving everyone a base to work from then manually draft the rest allowing you to fill gaps.
One thing I would say is that just limiting to WT teams removes riders like Voeckler from the equation. If you allow people to pick from any team but state we only run WT races then that adds to the pool of available riders and picking from a non-WT team would be at your own risk.
That is also very true, would
That is also very true, would need a think đŸ˜•Unless you organise a chat
Unless you organise a chat room with all 10 players, and do the picks interactively in a small number of sessions that translates into 300 posts/emails/online spreadsheet updates, each dependent on the last, and that could take a very long time to do. An auction could take even longer.You could speed it up using software, but I suspect that might remove some of the fun element.
I don’t think its about
I don’t think its about having a full 9 riders or whatever it may be for every race, as having 6 could score you more points. Its more about your roster and in picking that is the skill to balancing it the best. Also we need a calender in place if we are going to score it fantasy wise, it doesn’t need to correlate with on here as I would do the points manually. But knowing a calender in advance means I could try and ut together some kind of spreadsheet.It think as a draft goes I had this in mind. (So forget the rider values for now)
So we have 10 teams. 27 draft rounds + 3 neo-pro rounds
Teams A to J
Round 1: Order of Picks: A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J
Round 2: B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,A
Round 3: C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,A,B
Round 4: D,E,F,G,H,I,J,A,B,C
Round 5: E,F,G,H,I,J,A,B,C,D
Round 6: F,G,H,I,J,A,B,C,D,E
Round 7: G,H,I,J,A,B,C,D,E,F
Round 8: H,I,J,A,B,C,D,E,F,G
Round 9: I,J,A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H
Round 10: J,A,B,C,D,E,F,G,Hand that is repeated for 11-20 and 21-30
So every team rolls round in the order they pick. Also just because A goes first doesnt mean he has to Pick Cav or Sagan, he may choose to go Slagter, if he thinks he will do well. With a draft situation you often get quality going first but you also get people tactically thinking a certain rider may stay till round 3 or 4. So after round 1 a rider like Cancellara may be available, but A may not choice him in round 2, tactically thinking he may still be there in round 3. Its actually quite fun to do. Also latter on it rounds quality becomes less of an issue as they are more even so people choose favourites whereas the rider values may have then higher (I would choose Santambrogio over JTL in round 10 for example although Santambrogio would be much cheaper)
what do you think of that kind of idea?
Started off thinking WT only,
Started off thinking WT only, then got distracted trying to work out the points breakdown, and forgot WT in the process of disappearing up my own orifice.If we’re doing it for WT points as the first priority, you have 19 teams worth of riders. Just becomes a question then of how you choose or allocate riders. If you want to give people choice, then you need less than 19 teams. Even 1
less gives some choice. The fewer the more choice.I agree we need more than the handful of us already doing this, and to attract players it probably needs to be simpler than the spreadsheet I’m doing, and I suspect you guys are using. I don’t mind the effort, since I’m learning a lot about the sport doing this, which makes it worthwhile to me.
The auction/draft mess and 60 riders are too complex and too many. We’ll see how many riders we each get into each WT race this year, but I don’t think at 28-30 you will fill your roster for every race, unless you pick heavily along the lines of a current WT team lineup, or are very good/lucky. For example I’ve been over for TdU and PN, but I’ll be short for Tirreno, and I’m guessing for other races to come.
As for picking, if we can’t just do as we did this year and we have to avoid overlaps, then we need some way to make it a fair process. How about I get first choice, since I’m going to come last this year đŸ™‚
If we had say 12 team slots, what about each of us taking 1/12th of the riders available, so we split all the WT riders between us? Ignoring values, other than as a guide to ‘quality’. Or is that what you mean by draft. I’m never sure how drafts work, since in NBA, the only sport I follow that does drafts (that I know of) it’s a mystery to me how it works.
I still think a random allocation of the top n riders to teams could work.
Anyway got 9 months to iron this out, so no hurry. Anyone has a light bulb moment, please illuminate us all.
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