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September 21, 2012 at 9:16 am #16885
If you agree with it, could you all try to sign the petition here:
“World Cycling Organization UCI: For president Pat McQuaid to resign and cycling to be cleaned up”
http://tinyurl.com/PatMusgGoPetition
and pass on to as many people as you know – tweet, facebook, the lot! Thanks – Oh and once you’ve signed could you mention you’ve done so here to keep this post high / sticky on the board?
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drheaton
Yeah, sorry, I’ll hold my
Yeah, sorry, I’ll hold my hands up, I caused Lance Armstrong to dope. I also bought David Millar his first lot of EPO.In all seriousness the UCI as an organisation is set up to run itself, a new president is elected every 4 years. There is an election and anyone (within the UCI) can run. We may see a change of leadership next year, we may not, its entirely down to the UCI.
Look at what happened at FIFA, there were serious allegations of proper corruption (rather than just complicity/willfull ignorance of doping) yet Blatter was voted back in unopposed. Organisations like the UCI and FIFA do as they please unless there’s a chance of losing money. As it stands that isn’t a serious threat of that because the people who lose out financially through doping are the teams and race organisations like ASO who’ll lose out on sponsorship.
Gkam84
The person who started this
The person who started this thread did not create the petition.So myself, drheaton and stumps are part of the problem……along with Pat McQuaid the four of us are 100% responsible for the UCI and all the doping problems that go along with it 👿
When the four of us leave, cycling will be cleaned up forever :B
dullard
What an unpleasant string of
What an unpleasant string of comments. Bloke feels so strongly about something that he takes a bit of action and he gots shot down by some snide remarks. Redolent of the treatment of Paul Kimmage. drheaton, Gkam84, stumps, you are part of the problem.I notice the petition is now
I notice the petition is now closed 👿
Bob's Bikes
Whilst I am all for positive
Whilst I am all for positive thinking I really do have to ask some (UK libel law filter applied) people on here, What colour are the clouds on your planet?russyparkin
maybe we can fix the FIA and
maybe we can fix the FIA and FIFA whilst were at it..
Stumps
Aye and Sunderland might win
Aye and Sunderland might win the premiership =)) =)) =))7,000,000,500……..NOW, do
7,000,000,500……..NOW, do you still think that 500 signatures are going to make ANY difference to anyone in WORLD cycling??
No but a petition that builds to thousands of signatures may. The UCI may claim to represent the world but in truth it represents a small fraction of its population, largely the more literate, wealthy nations in the world. Look at the start list in todays’ race:
Over 90% of the riders are from Europe or N America. Even within those countries, the % that are serious cycling fans and have any interest of knowledge of the sport is a tiny fraction – lets say roughly 0.5%. So its real constituency is not 7bn but more like 0.5% x 700m – approximately lets say 3m people.
Even amongst that group, informed knowledge of the poor state of the sport is limited and natural human inertia will inevitably stop many signing. Probably more important is that few of that remaining, smaller number are even aware the petition exists but over the days and weeks to come, awareness will spread. Its possible that once a thousand or so have done so, then one of the cycling news sites may be willing to report its existence. Once that happens a tipping point is reached and signatures will balloon to many thousands. Once it becomes a news story in itself then that will put meaningful pressure on the UCI, its board and will give support and confidence to those like Kimmage, Waughters and Millar who are challenging the status quo.
Every little signature helps here:
Sylvanus Urban wrote:OK –
Sylvanus Urban wrote:OK – Understand what you mean – as you rightly point out, I’m not simple enough to believe that a single petition will cause Pat McQuaid to quit but I do think it can help demonstrate the climate of opinion.If I’m the delegate on the UCI from British Cycling or the head of a Protour team and I know that thousands of cycling fans (my customers effectively or at least the customers of my sponsors/financial backers) want change then I’ll be in a much safer position if I demand institutional reform. Even Kings and dictators depend, in the end, on public opinion – once it begins to move, it can be an unstoppable force.
So whilst I don’t imagine for a second that a single signature or even a petition of thousands can create change directly, it can help create a climate where change becomes unstoppable.
I still don’t think you quite get it. The UCI is the WORLD governing body for sports cycling.
So as the WORLD population is over 7 billion now. Lets just take the 500 from the petition and stick it onto the population of the world.
7,000,000,500……..NOW, do you still think that 500 signatures are going to make ANY difference to anyone in WORLD cycling??
OK – Understand what you mean
OK – Understand what you mean – as you rightly point out, I’m not simple enough to believe that a single petition will cause Pat McQuaid to quit but I do think it can help demonstrate the climate of opinion.If I’m the delegate on the UCI from British Cycling or the head of a Protour team and I know that thousands of cycling fans (my customers effectively or at least the customers of my sponsors/financial backers) want change then I’ll be in a much safer position if I demand institutional reform. Even Kings and dictators depend, in the end, on public opinion – once it begins to move, it can be an unstoppable force.
So whilst I don’t imagine for a second that a single signature or even a petition of thousands can create change directly, it can help create a climate where change becomes unstoppable.
Stumps
The UCI like Fifa will do
The UCI like Fifa will do whatever it wants whenever it wants and only the Pro teams withdrawing from the system and setting up their own races etc will make them sit and think about what they are doing.Do you honestly believe that by getting a few people, who have no weight or strength behind their views, signing a petition will get them to suddenly change the way they do everything and for the boss to stand down 😕
If you do you must live in a very simple secluded world.
It takes an on line petition of over 100,000 signatures to just get an item even listed, never mind discussed in Parliament.
Quit whilst your ahead or you
Quit whilst your ahead or you will never be taken seriously on this site again. Thats my opinion, whether you believe it or not is not my problem but i hope you do.
Thanks for the advice but why should “being taken seriously on this site” matter? Are you honestly suggesting my thoughts on crank bolts or interval training might be ignored because I think the UCI needs reform? If so don’t worry, I’ll survive in the road.cc wilderness without too much wailing and knashing of teeth.
I think the petition is a good way of applying some public pressure to the UCI given their apparently ‘odd’ behaviour (UK libel law filter applied) with Armstrong, Landis and Kimmage. I’d agree that it won’t change cycling overnight but it may help the process of cleaning up & I’m certain it won’t do any harm.
You disagree but neither you nor any of the ‘antis’ have really suggested a better approach. I’m willing to follow your lead if you have better ideas – if not then signing the petition will take seconds. Just for clarification its not my petition – think it was originally put together by some Aussie cyclists. Here:
The Rumpo Kid
drheaton wrote:… if the UCI
drheaton wrote:… if the UCI controlled the revenue the three grand tours and other major races generated they could reinvest it into cycling.
PLEASE tell me this is the British sense of irony I’ve heard so much about.I thought I made some bad
I thought I made some bad comments on this forum and got shot down something…..I’m enjoying this thread.NO, I am not going to sign your absurd, futile, ineffectual un-intelligent, ill informed, pointless…….NEED I go on??
Stumps
Sylvanus Urban – you are
Sylvanus Urban – you are making yourself look very silly with some of the comments your making.Quit whilst your ahead or you will never be taken seriously on this site again. Thats my opinion, whether you believe it or not is not my problem but i hope you do.
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