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September 6, 2012 at 8:48 am #16747
ekynoxe
I read something quite alarming yesterday in the editor’s column of the September edition of the Richmond and Barnes magazine. Richard Nye (@TheRichmondMag on twitter, The Richmond Magazine / Sheen Gate on facebook) seems to think cyclists are a nuisance, and they should be dead.
Quoted straight from the editorial section of te September issue of the Richmond Magazine:
[…] as a daily driver on busy roads, I tend towards the temperate view that the only good cyclist is a dead one […]
The rest of the editorial is also worth a read. Appalling views.

The full editorial is available on page 11 of the swanky animated online edition, but if it gets magically removed for whatever reason, here’s a copy of page 11, and of the full September edition.
If you’re a business who’s advertised in this magazine, and especially if you’re a sports related one (Virgin Active, or Moore’s Cycles are in there), I urge you to consider removing your ads from a magazine who’s editor clearly thinks your clients should be dead…
Nothing more to add.
Thanks @freespeedlondon for the initial tip off.
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Mountainboy
No, he has to step down.
That
No, he has to step down.That is a pretty shitty collection of words, and him the editor?
I almost resent RoadCC for sending me there & boosting their stats.
daddyELVIS
I doubt very much that a
I doubt very much that a member of my family is in any more danger on a bike than they were before this editorial was written (my wife certainly isn’t judging by the thick layer of dust on her bike).The guy (who I think is an idiot for writing this, by the way) is obviously making the 2 exagerated remarks in an unsuccessful attempt to put a ‘grumpy old man’ comedy spin on his enjoyment of the Olympics.
I cycle a lot, and I drive a lot.
When I’m driving some cyclists infuriate me too – in fact it happened today when a cyclist passed me on the near-side, between kerb & car, at a very busy junction as I was moving off and veering slightly left to avoid the attentions of a large truck in the lane next to me. I thought I was going to clip him – luckily I saw him just in time. As he looked at me I mentioned that his male appendage was located on the fore of his head! Now, that guy needs to learn how to cycle properly if he wants to stay alive.
Having said that, when I cycle, I know that I take the odd risk – afterall it’s difficult to ride fast if you’ve gotta keep stopping 👿 , so I’m sure I’ve annoyed drivers too.
I find that taking an aggresive position on the road, riding fast, staying aware and anticipating is the safest way to ride. It keeps me alive (or at least it has done so far – nearly 40 now). However, I’m sure this style of riding annoys the hell out of people like the guy who wrote this article. I doubt he’d ever try to kill me though. You usually find that people like him are all mouth (or pen) and no balls.
Simon E
This seems to be a prominent
This seems to be a prominent editorial piece, not some sad old geezer’s attention-seeking whine hidden on a narrow column in the fold on page 7. It sets the tone for the rest of the publication. If you substitute ‘cyclist’ for another outgroup (muslims, gays, gyspies, racial minorities?) the tone may be seen for what it is: abusive and hateful. There is really nothing humorous in it.The reaction may seem disproportionate but road cyclists of all persuasions are sick and tired of this unwillingness to share the road, of being abused and threatened or the victims of selfish, inconsiderate driving. We’re only getting from A to B like everyone else!
If we don’t highlight this kind of offensive crap as unacceptable it will grow and cyclists will be even more vulnerable; it will be seized on by some as acceptable. It could well lead to an increase in road rage and I have a very real fear that someone will die as a result. @daddyELVIS is it still OK if that is a member of your family?
daddyELVIS
Not exactly the worst
Not exactly the worst anti-cycling artice I’ve ever read. His 2 negative comments seem to be a rather exaggerated (for comedy effect) position of his real feelings towards cyclists, which I suspect are slight anoyance mixed with mild envy. Nothing to get worked up about.
Tony Farrelly
Hi Bez,
As I said above I’m
Hi Bez,As I said above I’m not suggesting that his comments should be ignored just that the response should be proportionate to the likely harm they will cause – ekynoxe was spot on to post this on the forum and bring it to wider attention. What people need to decide is what is the right way to respond to stuff like this.
Personally while I think it’s great that people react so quickly to face down stuff like this it’s also slightly depressing that a forum post about a man whose influence stretches barely to the end of his desk is the most read item on roadcc today above the story about the convicted careless driver who broke a cyclist’s neck in two place and who has just been given influence over the UK transport network.
fixer
On-line lynch mob? How about
On-line lynch mob? How about a real lynch mob. Much more fun.moonbucket
Sure we might look
Sure we might look reactionary to a point, but when our lives are actually endangered by irresponsible, reckless drivers, then anything that may firm up a person’s “anti-cyclist” sentiment is not something that we should take lightly.We don’t need to lose our sense of humour over it, but it should still be highlighted. The pressure brought to bear on the Auto Express article did cause a rethink of sorts (even if just to protect the commercial interests of the publishing group).
nellybuck@msn.com
Milky88 wrote:
This road.ccMilky88 wrote:
This road.cc article could equally well have harped on about how Team GB’s cyclists are turning even the most ardent cycle-haters into bike lovers… well, maybe that’s stretching it too far.Can I just point out (as you’ve said it twice) that this isn’t a road.cc article, it’s a post on the discussion forum which has been posted by a user. Nothing to do with the road.cc editorial team (who incidentally do bring us a wide variety of stories from the cycling world)
TheHatter
its now top read story on
its now top read story on thetimes websitespen
You’ve probably just
You’ve probably just quadrupled the number of people who bothered to read the editorial. Well donemiuzikboy
Bez wrote:Whilst it’s a fair
Bez wrote:Whilst it’s a fair point that there are more consequential things to complain about, I think things like this contribute to the foundation that underpins those consequential things. The consequential things are the symptoms, not the disease.…
Verbal discrimination and demeaning language have been made unacceptable not because it’s an actual physical oppression but because it undermines equality in terms of people’s attitudes. If the article had essentially said that “a temperate view is that the only good gay man is a dead one, so I find it very strange that I enjoyed George Michael’s bit at the closing ceremony, but then I saw a chap coming out of a gay nightclub and vomiting the pavement so I shouted abuse at him and was so relieved to be able to feel able to hate gay people again” then would we still be saying, “yeah, that’s fine, it’s just a bit of comic exaggeration”? Of course not: you don’t publish stuff that says it’s ok to hate gay people, because it’s not and as a society we don’t put up with that any more.
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+1 Well put Bez.
Bez
Whilst it’s a fair point that
Whilst it’s a fair point that there are more consequential things to complain about, I think things like this contribute to the foundation that underpins those consequential things. The consequential things are the symptoms, not the disease.It’s the fact that we, as a society, are tolerant of shabby standards of driving that means cyclists get hit and killed by people who had no intention of killing anyone. A harsh sentence for an unintentional death, however stupidly it was caused, is a stable door shut on a bolted horse. Make the sentence as harsh as you like, the fact remains that in nearly all cases the driver was just stupid or lazy, not malevolent.
And it’s the fact that we, as a society, are tolerant of bigoted and aggressive attitudes to other road users that means people take dangerous action on the road and call for “the others” to be removed from it, or for other legislation which offers no benefit at all for anyone other than to make one group feel that they’ve got one over on the other. Ignoring editorials such as this says that it’s an acceptable view, that it’s ok to hold that view.
Verbal discrimination and demeaning language have been made unacceptable not because it’s an actual physical oppression but because it undermines equality in terms of people’s attitudes. If the article had essentially said that “a temperate view is that the only good gay man is a dead one, so I find it very strange that I enjoyed George Michael’s bit at the closing ceremony, but then I saw a chap coming out of a gay nightclub and vomiting the pavement so I shouted abuse at him and was so relieved to be able to feel able to hate gay people again” then would we still be saying, “yeah, that’s fine, it’s just a bit of comic exaggeration”? Of course not: you don’t publish stuff that says it’s ok to hate gay people, because it’s not and as a society we don’t put up with that any more.
The point is that it remains socially acceptable to hate cyclists, and that attitude leaches through to things which affect us on a frequent basis. Campaigning for harsher sentences for killing people is all very well but I don’t believe for one second it will actually make any difference to the accident rate or the fatality rate.
Campaigning for just a bit of basic understanding of one another is something that might just stop people cutting cyclists up, might just stop people bellowing red-faced expletives at cyclists for no reason whatsoever, might just stop people trying to get counterproductive legislation in place, and might just encourarage a few more people to take up cycling without fear of people like Mr Nye fantasising about mowing them down on their way to work.
I don’t think a lynch mob is productive, but I do think it’s incredibly important to provide a loud and collective voice that makes it clear that it’s not acceptable to publish views like Mr Nye’s, let alone be in charge of an entire publication whilst doing so.
notfastenough
dave_atkinson wrote:It’s a
dave_atkinson wrote:It’s a pity it’s not a northern irish rag#outnye
sorry.
That’s grand, so it is.
workhard
Let’s wait and see if the
Let’s wait and see if the offending article mysteriously gets deleted from the online edition of the magazine…..
dave atkinson
It’s a pity it’s not a
It’s a pity it’s not a northern irish rag#outnye
sorry.
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