Olympic blood doping

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    SideBurn

    I heard that 9 athletes have been caught doping; I wondered if any were cyclists…no 🙂 An article went on to say, “The biological passport measures changes in an athlete’s blood profile and is already used in professional cycling. It will be utilized in testing in track and field, swimming, cycling, rowing, modern pentathlon and triathlon at the Olympics, the World Anti-Doping Agency announced in a news conference at Olympic Park”. Two things struck me. Biological passport measures have been in cycling for some time (years?). But many sports have chosen not to bother with it; why not? When reports are made of cyclists doping, no mention is made that cycling is pioneering new measures? Cycling gets dragged through the mud time and time again but it seems that other sports have their heads in the sand. But of course, who from these 6 sports are going to put in an inexplicably poor performance! Or take a chance?

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  • #693665
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    SideBurn

    And it is not Cavendish! Or
    And it is not Cavendish! Or any other UCI sportsperson!

    #693663
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    SideBurn

    Anyone brave enough to
    Anyone brave enough to suggest who will put in an unusually poor performance? I have got £20 riding on a certain person(s) failing to perform. Do not want to say who because I do not want to find my severed handlebars in bed with me tomorrow!

    #693661
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    Bob's Bikes

    If they introduced biological
    If they introduced biological passports for football what would all the drunken fat slobs (oops I mean football supporters)do on a sat afternoon? because I seriously doubt they are enough clean players in this country to raise two teams, let alone a league.

    #693659
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    drheaton

    The other thing to remember
    The other thing to remember is that often many athlete’s will dope in the run up to a competition then allow it to leave their system naturally well before they race. A sprinter (unlike a pro cyclist) will race two or three times in the space of 3 days maybe, each time only over a short distance. The doping they do is mainly in preparation and few would be still doped at the time of competition.

    It’s easier to catch cyclists because they compete over extended distances for days at a time so to stay at their doped level will need to keep doping through competition. Random testing and biological passports also help to keep track of the cyclists chemical levels and spot any odd results.

    Implementing a biological passport would certainly help in other sports but it may not be the silver bullet. You have to remember that at the elite level of cycling there’s a fair amount of money targeted at what in fairness is a relatively small field of athletes. I’m not sure who is responsible for paying for anti doping and testing but I’m sure it’s not funded by national governing bodies like in athletics. That means that there is money to test properly, regularly. That money isn’t there for all countries and competitors in other sports, do you think that the Kenyan Athletics authorities have the funds and ability to test all of their athletes to the same extent as Sky Procycling and the UCI test their cyclists? What about some of the really minor nations?

    Then you’ve got the arguement that a system needs to be in place that is fair for everyone across the board, it wouldn’t be fair if UK athletes are tested more often than other countries or are competing against athletes who haven’t been tested to the same extent. That means you’re operating a system which fits the poorest nations and isn’t really fit for purpose.

    If you were to implement a cycling style system for athletics with the national athletics federations footing the bill for testing their athletes you’d effectively price out some nations from competing because they would not be able to effectively test and regulate their athletes in the same way trade cycling teams and the UCI does. That’d scrap the whole ethos of the Olympics, that anyone from anywhere can compete.

    Of course, the international athletics bodies could foot the bill… but they’re more interested in squeezing out as much from the Olympics commercial rights as they can X(

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    SideBurn

    yenrod; I love the quote but
    yenrod; I love the quote but wtf?

    #693655
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    Sadly Biggins

    SideBurn wrote:when was the

    SideBurn wrote:
    when was the last time you heard of a tennis player testing positive?

    Only one I can think of is Petr Korda who tested positive for nandrolone in 1998. I agree with your point though.

    #693653
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    SideBurn

    I get the
    I get the skill/endurance/strength equation. But have noticed that there seems to be a ‘drug for all seasons’ (or should that be for all sports?); even anabolic steroids developed specifically for sport, and to be undetectable by modern testing methods. It is clever stuff…

    #693651
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    notfastenough

    No, but physical strength +
    No, but physical strength + technique appears to be greater than technique alone. Even within a sport, there are many variables, a good thinking footballer doesn’t run much (Sheringham carved out a few years extra on this basis) but a running central midfielder like Steven Gerrard has to be strong and very fit.

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    yenrod

    ‘Sam1 tell me where I derive
    ‘Sam1 tell me where I derive gud’blad rather than bad’blood like at home from de mule???’

    – Dennis Munchow

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    drheaton

    The impact of drugs on a
    The impact of drugs on a sport varies with each sport.

    Tennis is a technique sport and while it is a physical game the physical side cannot make up for a poor technique.

    100m sprinting though is pure physique and obviously drugs can have a mcuh greater impact on an athlete’s performance.

    I would say that sports which are not as heavily tested (football, tennis, badminton, table tennis, gymnastics?) are those where proportionally drugs will have a smaller impact as opposed to increased training or natural ability.

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    notfastenough

    I held off mentioning Tennis,
    I held off mentioning Tennis, but there are rumours abound that Rafa Nadal was implicated during Op Puerto. I’d like to think a big wake-up call is coming but is it? The sport’s governing body evidently think it’s ok to turn a blind eye to the emergence of ridiculous muscles in the womens game.

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    SideBurn

    I think a sport with a big
    I think a sport with a big wake up call coming is tennis. It is a sport with a clean image but with huge financial rewards for the top athletes; when was the last time you heard of a tennis player testing positive? When looking up facts and information on doping, tennis comes up time and time again. There is also a blog spot, “Tennis has a steroid problem” with explanations of how easy it is to pass a drug test. But tennis was not on the list of sports for enhanced dope tests?

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    notfastenough

    I think other sports are up
    I think other sports are up to their eyeballs in it. Only in the last few years has cycling been worth anything financially to more than just the team leaders on the big teams. Many other sports have been rolling in cash and glory for a good few years.

    Was it Contador (someone spanish, anyway) who while having a rant about his situation, commented that a footballer (think he played for Barcelona) tweeted that he had been to Switzerland to have his blood ‘refreshed’? He’d had a full-body blood transfusion, announced it publicly, and no-one noticed! A cyclist would face a 2-year ban for that.

    Anyway, back to today: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/25/sport/olympics-iaaf-doping-tobias/

    “That method [blood passports] accounted for six bans, for Morocco’s Abderrahim Goumri, Greece’s Irini Kokkinariou, Turkey’s Meryem Erdogan, and three Russians — Svetlana Klyuka, Nailiya Yulamanova and Yevgenina Zinurova, the 2011 European Indoors 800m champion.

    Along with [Nataliya] Tobias, fellow Ukrainian Antonina Yefremova was charged after synthetic testosterone was found in their systems, while Bulgaria’s Inna Eftimova tested positive for a synthetic growth hormone.”

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    fiftyacorn

    I agree – no other sport
    I agree – no other sport pursues its athletes like cycling. I dont think cycling should stop this – but its time for other sports to step up to start catching their own athletes

    #693637
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    SideBurn

    My question is, is cycling a
    My question is, is cycling a ‘doping sport’ or is it just good at catching dopers?? You cannot convince me that other athletes are immune from the temptation of an almost undetectable drug that has proven performance enhancement?

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