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  • January 22, 2012 at 8:44 pm #14890
    Gkam84

    I was going to be anal and make a FULL list of riders from 2011 and 2012 to compare value’s, but i haven’t as yet

    I’m just wondering how you have come up with the riders value’s?

    Some i can understand, Cav being 40 and top because he is world champ and had a great season last year

    But Wiggo, he is 38.4 above the Schlecks and last season he was 25.3

    So a difference of 13.1 Cav’s only gone up 1.7 and Gilbert -0.2

    Evans was 38.6 and is now 39.7
    Contador was 39.8 and is now 39.6

    Just wondering how you worked it all out :B

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  • January 29, 2012 at 8:04 pm #662679
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    thefatcyclist

    Did anybody go down in
    Did anybody go down in value???
    Anyhoo, heres a hypothetical not too bad team.

    149.4 points.

    Mark Cavendish (SKY)
    Mark Renshaw (RAB)
    Thor Hushovd (BMC)
    Juan Jose Haedo (SAX)
    Johan Vansummeren (GRM)
    Christian Knees (SKY)
    Ion Izagirre (EUS)
    Anders Lund (SAX)
    Javier Moreno (MOV)

    Also as previously posted else where, there will be a lot of great riders missing from the tours due to teams merging and consolodating, so some of the choices will be made for us, also remember Coe/Ovett in the running,expect Cav, Goss, Renshaw, Greipelm Hushovd not to come up against each other till they have to.

    January 29, 2012 at 7:52 pm #662677
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    TERatcliffe26

    Im all for low budgets and a
    Im all for low budgets and a challenege, but im not sure the correct balance between budget and rider values has quite been struck

    January 29, 2012 at 9:24 am #662675
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    JAndrewHill

    Yeah, i am all for low
    Yeah, i am all for low budgets to make it more skilful . . . big budgets make it too easy.

    With a low budget you ned to find those jokers in the patch who no one else realises is going to get in the top 5 in those big uphill finishes in Qatar.

    So who are my jokers?
    Is Juanjo Cobo riding qatar?
    He’s good value at 34.7. 😀

    January 29, 2012 at 12:22 am #662673
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    Gkam84

    But thats you using nearly
    But thats you using nearly 200 points, the limit for last season apart from the starting where the value’s went all over was 175 👿

    January 28, 2012 at 11:06 pm #662671
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    JAndrewHill

    The less money you have ther
    The less money you have ther more skillful you need to be.
    Otherwise we’d all pick . . .
    M. Cavendish PC SKY 40.0
    P. Gilbert AR BMC 40.0
    A. Contador GC SAX 39.6
    J. Rodriguez AR
    C. Vande Velde DS GRM 16.6
    S. Casar DS FDJ 16.0
    L. Bak DS LOT 15.7
    V. Agnoli DS LIQ 15.6
    D. Cataldo DS OPQ 15.4

    Hey, that’s not a bad GC squad. . . . can I have 200k and pick this purist team?

    January 28, 2012 at 11:04 pm #662669
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    JAndrewHill

    The less money you have ther
    The less money you have ther more skillful you need to be.
    Otherwise we’d all pick . . .
    M. Cavendish PC SKY 40.0
    P. Gilbert AR BMC 40.0
    A. Contador GC SAX 39.6
    C. Vande Velde DS GRM 16.6
    S. Casar DS FDJ 16.0
    L. Bak DS LOT 15.7
    V. Agnoli DS LIQ 15.6
    D. Cataldo DS OPQ 15.4

    Hey, that’s not a bad GC squad. . . . can I have 200k and pick this purist team?

    January 28, 2012 at 7:23 pm #662667
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    Gkam84

    Now your nit picking over .1
    Now your nit picking over .1 👿

    January 28, 2012 at 6:01 pm #662665
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    orli

    Gkam84 wrote:I’m just

    Gkam84 wrote:
    I’m just wondering how you have come up with the riders value’s?… Some I can understand…

    Here’s my ‘how come this rider is worth so much?’ question. I can’t see why Steven Kruijswijk would be worth more than Dennis Menchov.

    On another note, not that it matters, ’cause they’re all ‘star’ riders, but why is Enrico Gasparotto in the KM classification? Why not the AR or PC?

    TERatcliffe26 wrote:
    I think reducing the credits from 175 to 150 due to 5 DS rather than 4 hasn’t worked due to the increase in higher valued star riders

    Man, can’t we have our budgets raised to 175 for the Grand Tours? It would make for cooler teams! 🙂

    January 23, 2012 at 11:42 am #662663
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    fraser

    I agree that it will be
    I agree that it will be harder to score points this year.
    Less credits and more points for stage wins means that there will be more gambling on trying to pick a stage winner rather than sticking with the (almost) guarenteed points from a gc leader.
    I think it will be much more interesting this year and should lead to more varied teams rather than everybody opting for the same team of all the top gc guys.

    Even with the lower scoring, theres still no reason you cant be competitive, unless you’re trying to compete with your own scores from last year :s

    January 23, 2012 at 9:58 am #662661
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    Stumps

    fraser wrote:TERatcliffe26

    fraser wrote:
    TERatcliffe26 wrote:

    However like Gkam says will be tough to make a semi competitive team

    How so?
    Everyone that you are competing with has the same limits for their teams.

    Your right but i think what he was getting at was that anyone can pick a team but to score decent points on a regular basis is going to be hard with the new limits and the increase in rider values.

    January 23, 2012 at 9:29 am #662659
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    fraser

    TERatcliffe26 wrote:
    However

    TERatcliffe26 wrote:

    However like Gkam says will be tough to make a semi competitive team

    How so?
    Everyone that you are competing with has the same limits for their teams.

    January 23, 2012 at 8:32 am #662657
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    Johnbosley

    Then of course you have the
    Then of course you have the transfer challenge as you may have chosen riders that are unlikely to score elsewhere. Could be spending a few penalty points?

    January 22, 2012 at 10:32 pm #662655
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    Gkam84

    Your right enough Stumps
    But
    Your right enough Stumps

    But if you do it this way as an exmample

    TT results

    Sky
    BMC
    Garmin
    RSNT
    Astana

    So if you have as follows you will score the max points

    2 Sky riders
    2 BMC riders
    2 Garmin riders
    2 RSNT riders
    1 Astana rider

    January 22, 2012 at 10:17 pm #662653
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    Stumps

    If i understand this
    If i understand this correctly if one of your riders wins a stage then if you have another squad member in your team he also gets points ?

    So basically you have to work out who will win the stage and pick a team member of the same squad at a cheap value cos they normally wouldn’t win a stage but will subsequently score points.

    So for stage one of Paris – Nice (a team time trial) if you pick 4 riders from the top 4 time trialling teams then you will probably score quite highly.

    I think my thinking is correct, but i’m starting to confuse myself now :/

    January 22, 2012 at 9:57 pm #662651
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    LabMonkey

    Echo’s previous comments.
    Echo’s previous comments.

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