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  • January 22, 2012 at 8:44 pm #14890
    Gkam84

    I was going to be anal and make a FULL list of riders from 2011 and 2012 to compare value’s, but i haven’t as yet

    I’m just wondering how you have come up with the riders value’s?

    Some i can understand, Cav being 40 and top because he is world champ and had a great season last year

    But Wiggo, he is 38.4 above the Schlecks and last season he was 25.3

    So a difference of 13.1 Cav’s only gone up 1.7 and Gilbert -0.2

    Evans was 38.6 and is now 39.7
    Contador was 39.8 and is now 39.6

    Just wondering how you worked it all out :B

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  • March 14, 2012 at 4:52 am #662709
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    orli

    dave_atkinson wrote:de Gendt

    dave_atkinson wrote:
    de Gendt currently isn’t listed in the overall KOM. Not sure why. He hasn’t been givem any points for that yet, we’ll amend if we have to

    Dave, are the riders’ total points on display anywhere on the site? I know if you click on a rider’s name you get his total scores for the overall competition, but can they be seen as a group anywhere?

    On another note, I’m looking for some numbers to crunch for next year, so, I know it’s a lot to ask for, but, if you’re bored some day, at the end of the overall competition, could you share some stats for the stage races, like:

    1. Top 20 riders who got their points at the finish line of mass sprint stages?
    2. Top 20 riders who got their points at the finish line of mountaintop summit finishes?
    3. Top 20 riders who got their points in breakaways – or – on the road – meaning not at the finish line?
    4. Top 20 riders who got their points from KOM points on the road
    5. I know it’s a lot, thanks for reading! 🙂

    February 28, 2012 at 10:57 pm #662707
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    orli

    dave_atkinson

    dave_atkinson wrote:
    http://www.uci.html.infostradasports.com/cache/2/TheASP.asp@PageID%3D102007&SportID%3D102&CompetitionID%3D24055&SeasonID%3D480&EventID%3D12146&GenderID%3D1&ClassID%3D1&EventPhaseID%3D632314&Phase1ID%3D0&TaalCode%3D2&StyleID%3D0&Cache%3D2.html?557796

    Thanks, Dave! 🙂

    Gkam84 wrote:
    I would Orli, but for a few different reasons i wont

    1, I cant access last years game anymore
    2, I would just open a whole can of worms for people to pick out certain riders and ask why they are so high
    3, Its a game, lets get on with what we have and be thankful its here at all ;)

    Yeah, without last year’s points earned it’s pretty hard… I can’t go off of UCI points, where for example, Cavendish is ranked No. 30 but I have no idea how many points he totaled in the Grand Tours or the overall competition. Dave do you have those totals per rider for last year? Can you put them on a spreadsheet or a text file? Can they be separated into the Grand Tours and the Classics?

    It’s just for fun and just to play with them…. I am annoyed at some of the rider values and would love to come up with a formula that would be pretty straightforward… I’d just like to give it a shot as something to consider for next year. I’ll even ask you if not last season, can we get the totals by Grand Tour and the Classics at the end of the year? It might be cool to have anyways as a refernce point for next year’s game! I know the people at NBC Universal (http://nbcfantasy.stats.com/cycling/index.asp) offer those stats for the last 3 years when you play their game. Of course, this game is nuch (!) more fun! I’ll give it up if it’sot available, but I’d really like it to try the exercise out, to see if I can twist it and make a little more sense to me… Either way, it’s a proposal to make the game more (!)… fun?… And I’m thankful (!) In fact, I’m hooked on this game! 🙂

    February 28, 2012 at 3:02 pm #662705
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    Gkam84

    I would Orli, but for a few
    I would Orli, but for a few different reasons i wont

    1, I cant access last years game anymore
    2, I would just open a whole can of worms for people to pick out certain riders and ask why they are so high
    3, Its a game, lets get on with what we have and be thankful its here at all 😉

    February 28, 2012 at 2:53 pm #662703
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    dave atkinson

    http://www.uci.html.infostrad
    http://www.uci.html.infostradasports.com/cache/2/TheASP.asp@PageID%3D102007&SportID%3D102&CompetitionID%3D24055&SeasonID%3D480&EventID%3D12146&GenderID%3D1&ClassID%3D1&EventPhaseID%3D632314&Phase1ID%3D0&TaalCode%3D2&StyleID%3D0&Cache%3D2.html?557796

    February 28, 2012 at 2:34 pm #662701
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    orli

    Gkam84 wrote:I was going to

    Gkam84 wrote:
    I was going to be anal and make a… list of riders from 2011 and 2012 to compare value’s…

    Wiggo [is worth] 38.4 [points]… above the Schlecks [!]…

    Just wondering how you worked it all out

    Make that list, Gkam, please! 🙂

    dave_atkinson wrote:
    it’s a combination of

    1) the scores from last year’s game
    2) the UCI/IG rankings
    3) the predictions of a pro rider on who’s going to do well
    4) some faffing about in the office…

    I’d like to see it tied to only (!) the UCI points, really. If a rider is a surprise from last year, cool!

    Does anyone know where I can find the last UCI 2011 standings? I’d kind of like to propose a different point value system for the riders for mext year’s game…

    Thanks!

    January 31, 2012 at 9:42 pm #662699
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    Alan Tullett

    I think we’ll score quite
    I think we’ll score quite highly for these early tours as they are fairly predictable and the extra stage scores make for big totals.

    On points: by the end of the TdF I had about 190 points but I didn’t always use them. In fact leaving a few points spare is a good strategy. The lack of limitations in who you can pick as star riders also makes the game easier as you can pack your team with sprinters for the flat and climbers for the mountains. Transfers rolling over also makes it easier to build up transfers and switch. I used to change mainly DSs, now I’m realising it’s more important to change star riders as they are the big points earners.

    January 31, 2012 at 5:07 pm #662697
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    orli

    I was surprised to find
    I was surprised to find Christian Van de Velde as a domestique… Hmmm!… 🙂

    Yeah…

    Gkam84 wrote:
    Now your nit picking…

    January 31, 2012 at 10:06 am #662695
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    step-hent

    Austerity measures – smaller
    Austerity measures – smaller budgets, higher prices….

    January 31, 2012 at 9:36 am #662693
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    Stumps

    Ah, i was looking under
    Ah, i was looking under riders for the next stage and he wasn’t listed. Found him now but it still wont let me pick him.

    Never mind cos i couldn’t find him i have gone for the same as Mr Hill above.

    January 30, 2012 at 6:53 pm #662691
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    JAndrewHill

    Well Flecha isn’t the Sky
    Well Flecha isn’t the Sky specialist I went for . . . I picked another, and I don’t mean Cav ! :B :B

    January 30, 2012 at 6:41 pm #662689
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    Gkam84

    He is in the tour, just not
    He is in the tour, just not listed in the game for the next stage, i suspect its not updated yet, if you want to find him, click on the filter and hit “all riders” he’s an AR and is 22.0

    January 30, 2012 at 5:58 pm #662687
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    Stumps

    Where has Flecha gone from
    Where has Flecha gone from the Sky line up. They only have 7 listed but he is not one of them. Was going to pick him as he always tries a break at some point. Anybody help :/

    January 30, 2012 at 1:58 pm #662685
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    TERatcliffe26

    Think I have my team sorted
    Think I have my team sorted

    January 29, 2012 at 10:55 pm #662683
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    Gkam84

    JAndrewHill wrote:Cav v

    JAndrewHill wrote:
    Cav v Renshaw v Greipel might happen next week in qatar ! Bring it on.

    Yeah those 3 plus Boonen, Hushovd, Gilbert, Farrar, Sagan, Degenkolb and Phinney

    Straight fight out between BMC, RSNT and Sky for the TT i think with outside bets of Rabo, Liquigas and Omega

    January 29, 2012 at 8:17 pm #662681
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    JAndrewHill

    Cav v Renshaw v Greipel might
    Cav v Renshaw v Greipel might happen next week in qatar ! Bring it on.

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