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December 3, 2019 at 8:22 pm #30317
RafatheRed
Hi all,
This is my first winter as a road cyclist and i need advice on best way to keep my toes dry and warm. I do have a pair of Endura Dextor overshoes which have been ok for light rain and in tempertures down to 4 degrees however my toes do get cold after about an hour of riding. Should or can i wear toe covers over the overshoe or is it best to look for a better overshoe and if so what are your recommendations. Nothing to expensive though please! Thank you in advance.
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Simontuck
As I understand it.
As I understand it.
Compression clothing works by not allowing veins to dilate/expand. This keeps the blood pressure up and helps reduce the possibility of dvt and may help get rid of toxins produced by exercise. I guess this could help with keeping the body warm too as it means the blood flows faster? It’s a gentle compression due to the fabric not being very stretchy though, and shouldn’t be ‘tight’.However, if a garment is too tight it isn’t causing gentle compression but will reduce blood flow. I’m not sure why this isn’t obvious but that means blood flow will be restricted and little warm blood will get to the parts of the body affected. Will result in pins and needles, numbness and cold feeling. It’s bad.
Pilot Pete
Welsh boy wrote:Pilot Pete wrote:Err, rugby players, like other sport men don’t wear compression layers to keep warm…Err, to quote from Skins website, “Designed for thermal defence when the cold weather kicks in with an all over compression rating to afford you a good degree of muscle support for a warmer, drier, lighter outcome and muscle protection too…”
You seem unable to make the distinction between ‘thermal defence’ for when the cold kicks in and ‘with an all over compression rating’ to offer a good degree of muscle support. Add the two together and you get a ‘warmer, drier, lighter outcome and muscle protection too’.
If compression alone keeps you warm, why do they wear compression garments in the height of summer? Surely they would want to be kept cooler?
Why do Under Armour make Heat Gear compression clothing for summer with ‘HeatGear® fabric, with all the benefits of UA Compression, comfortable enough to be worn all day’ and Cold Gear compression clothing for winter with ‘Dual-layer ColdGear® fabric with an incredibly warm, brushed interior & a slick, fast-drying exterior’.
You need to understand what the compression is for and what the thermal qualities are for. At the moment you seem to think the compression is about keeping heat in. Wrong.
PP
Sniffer
Welsh boy wrote:
I am glad you have not experienced this, but many have.Try reading this
https://www.cyclescheme.co.uk/community/how-to/how-to-beat-cold-feet
It even explains the difference between walking and cycling.
Finally consider where the blood is being pumped from and why a compression top under a rugby shirt or under a pair of shorts is unlikely to restrict the flow of blood.
Welsh boy
[/quote] The compression
[/quote] The compression garments rugby players wear at not on the body extremities. Wearing shoes too tight because you are wearing too mdny pairs of socks is a genuine problem that can cause cold feet.[/quote]
Ah, I understand now. Compression clothing in some areas keeps you warm but in other places it makes you cold. Very cleaver stuff this compression clothing.
Maybe, just maybe, people who don’t question things have put on an extra pair of socks when it is cold and still got cold feet so they have made the assumption that it was because of the tight socks preventing their heart from pumping blood around which caused them to have cold feet. I have worn tight fitting walking boots in the summer and bad sweaty feet which is strange, if tight socks give you cold feet how did that happen?
Welsh boy wrote:
Welsh boy wrote:Pilot Pete wrote:Err, rugby players, like other sport men don’t wear compression layers to keep warm…Err, to quote from Skins website, “Designed for thermal defence when the cold weather kicks in with an all over compression rating to afford you a good degree of muscle support for a warmer, drier, lighter outcome and muscle protection too…”
The compression garments rugby players wear at not on the body extremities.Wearing shoes too tight because you are wearing too mdny pairs of socks is a genuine problem that can cause cold feet.
Pilot Pete wrote:Err, rugby players, like other sport men don’t wear compression layers to keep warm…Err, to quote from Skins website, “Designed for thermal defence when the cold weather kicks in with an all over compression rating to afford you a good degree of muscle support for a warmer, drier, lighter outcome and muscle protection too…”
Hirsute
Thye are fine, as long as you don’t have big feet, then it’s hard to get them on. I’m not sure, given there is a cut out for clipless and they are mtb, what shoes they used to produce the shape.alexb wrote:I like the Endura MTB overshoes.I commute in mountain bike shoes and every other type of overshoe I used just wore out at the toe.
The Endura has an extra rubber toe section that works really well.
If I could improve it, I’d go for a model that has a moulded sole at the rear, but it turns out that Endura have thought of this!
The Endura MT500 Plus looks like th eperfect overshoe.
Tredz have them in for £25 at the moment:
Pilot Pete
Welsh boy wrote:kil0ran wrote:Just make sure you’ve got enough room inside the shoe – winter socks are thicker and the lack of space can cause numb feet from poor circulation.Really? Then why do rugby players wear compression kit to keep warm and if your heart can’t pump blood past the pressure of a pair of slightly thicker socks then I think you have serious circulation/cardiovascular problems.
Err, rugby players, like other sport men don’t wear compression layers to keep warm, they wear them to supposedly reduce the build up of lactic acid and help with post exercise recovery. They will wear a thermal base layer if they want to keep warm, which may well be compressive as well, but for the above reason.
I wear hiking socks, which are thicker, but as long as your shoe is the correct size (length wise) it shouldn’t really cause a problem as the extra bulk can be accommodated by not tightening the buckles/ straps as tight as you would with a summer sock. I’ve never had a problem with this, but if you do tighten them too much they can be a bit restrictive and cause your toes/ feet to get cold – tightening a shoe with a ratchet strap will provide significantly more restriction over a small surface area compared to a compressive base layer which spreads this compression across its whole surface.
When it gets wet, or below 5 degrees I wear goretex lined Sidi cycling winter boots with my hiking socks and Spatz overshoes/ gaiters, which, although a complete faff to put on are the only things I have found that keep my feet both warm and dry for 4hours+.
PP
Paul__M
Compression wear can work
Compression wear can work well as a base layer, but if you try a pair of hiking socks inside most cycle shoes you’ll encounter the blood flow problem. This is why I think https://www.prendas.co.uk/products/prendas-ciclismo-thermolite-winter-socks are so effective as the hollow fibres aren’t bulky. Overshoes are the best answer, but I haven’t found a pair that aren’t a right faff. And I can tell you from winter windsurfing that theres a big difference between 3mm & 5mm neoprene, yet this never seems to be specified with overshoes. If I did a bigger winter mileage I’d invest in a pair of winter booties, but can’t justify it what with more time spent on the turbo.
kil0ran wrote:Just make sure you’ve got enough room inside the shoe – winter socks are thicker and the lack of space can cause numb feet from poor circulation.Really? Then why do rugby players wear compression kit to keep warm and if your heart can’t pump blood past the pressure of a pair of slightly thicker socks then I think you have serious circulation/cardiovascular problems.
kil0ran
Just make sure you’ve got
Just make sure you’ve got enough room inside the shoe – winter socks are thicker and the lack of space can cause numb feet from poor circulation.
Overshoes and oversocks are the most cost-effective solution but I find them a huge amount of faff. Currently trying some Sealskinz winter socks, which also claim to be waterproof.
alexb
I like the Endura MTB
I like the Endura MTB overshoes.
I commute in mountain bike shoes and every other type of overshoe I used just wore out at the toe.
The Endura has an extra rubber toe section that works really well.
If I could improve it, I’d go for a model that has a moulded sole at the rear, but it turns out that Endura have thought of this!
The Endura MT500 Plus looks like th eperfect overshoe.
Tredz have them in for £25 at the moment:
TheBillder
If going for the DHB neoprene
If going for the DHB neoprene overshoes, note that there are at least 2 kinds. I have the Extreme Weather ones, which have a TPU coating over the neoprene. These are waterproof on top (though some will get through at the ankle cuffs and from below). I have found them hard wearing and excellently warm.
The other kind are Neoprene Nylon and are cheaper, but are just neoprene and not nearly as good. If the heavens open, you get damp and wet. I bought these for my son (sorry lad) and he still gets cold feet.
Nick T
Thanks all, I have bought DHB
Thanks all, I have bought DHB toecaps as they are in a sale on Chain Reaction and will look into buying neoprene type overshoes, thinking DHB again. That should do the trick. I already use wool socks so all good there. -
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