Mud on the road – irresponsible farmers

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  • #30221
    Run BMC

    Living in a rural area provides some great riding experiences, but the one thing I really hate at this time of year is the amount mud deposited on the roads from tractors. Its bad enough in the wet when it becomes a mud bath, but if allowed to dry the deposits are potential hazards to anything on two wheels (I’ve almost come a cropper on more than one occasion).  A quick Google reveals that under the Highways Act 1980 it is an offence for farmers (or anyone else for that matter) to deposit mud and other things on the highway (S148), which could result in prosecution and a fine.   Given that this is a regular occurrence where I live, the tractors clearly aren’t being cleaned properly as they should before taking to public roads, but I wouldn’t even know where to begin with regards raising it with someone.  Anyone else ever had this problem?

     

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  • #951583
    brooksby
    Run BMC wrote:
    brooksby wrote:
    Htc wrote:
    Yeah, we all know that it’s an offence. Most farmers actually do regular road cleaning themselves. Doesn’t mean that the road is always going to be clear of mud or that’s in completely avoidable. Get over yourself.

    From the OP:

    Don’t get me wrong, this isn’t a whinge about a little mud which might make my bike a bit dirty. I get that at this time of year that’s inevitable – what I’m talking about are substantial deposits which could be hazardous if ridden over – there’s a difference.

    Get over yourself  yes 

    You’re right brooksby, what was I thinking?! 🙂

    I think that Htc thought you were complaining that the roads are dirty or something…  

    #951581
    Shades

    I commuted on lanes for a

    I commuted on lanes for a couple of years and it was pretty annoying; I don’t think we’re talking about a bit of mud, it’s the 2 inch thick layer of stcky clay mud that’s been dragged up from the depths of the field.  Sticks to the wheel and you have to stop to clear it off.  One of the reasons I steer clear of lanes from now until March as it’s all a bit random.  Couple this with vehicles smashing up the muddy verges and it’s just not worth the hassle of a major bike clean after a ride.  Luckily I moved jobs but I was about to give up the winter commute as the bike needed cleaning every evening or else the mech just siezed up.  Lots of bits needed replacing after that period of riding.

    #951579
    Run BMC
    brooksby wrote:
    Htc wrote:
    Yeah, we all know that it’s an offence. Most farmers actually do regular road cleaning themselves. Doesn’t mean that the road is always going to be clear of mud or that’s in completely avoidable. Get over yourself.

    From the OP:

    Don’t get me wrong, this isn’t a whinge about a little mud which might make my bike a bit dirty. I get that at this time of year that’s inevitable – what I’m talking about are substantial deposits which could be hazardous if ridden over – there’s a difference.

    Get over yourself  yes 

     

    You’re right brooksby, what was I thinking?! 🙂

    #951577
    brooksby
    Htc wrote:
    Yeah, we all know that it’s an offence. Most farmers actually do regular road cleaning themselves. Doesn’t mean that the road is always going to be clear of mud or that’s in completely avoidable. Get over yourself.

    From the OP:

    Don’t get me wrong, this isn’t a whinge about a little mud which might make my bike a bit dirty. I get that at this time of year that’s inevitable – what I’m talking about are substantial deposits which could be hazardous if ridden over – there’s a difference.

    Get over yourself  yes 

    #951575
    Run BMC
    cougie wrote:
    It’s inevitable.  If a tractor drives off a muddy field then it will bring some mud with it.  Just ride to the conditions. 

     

    Don’t get me wrong, this isn’t a whinge about a little mud which might make my bike a bit dirty. I get that at this time of year that’s inevitable – what I’m talking about are substantial deposits which could be hazardous if ridden over – there’s a difference.

    #951573
    cougie

    It’s inevitable.  If a

    It’s inevitable.  If a tractor drives off a muddy field then it will bring some mud with it.  Just ride to the conditions. 

    #951571
    cougie

    It’s inevitable.  If a

    It’s inevitable.  If a tractor drives off a muddy field then it will bring some mud with it.  Just ride to the conditions. 

    #951569
    Htc
    brooksby wrote:
    Htc wrote:
    Or…. just people going about their business trying to make a living. It’s the countryside, get over it.

    Except that it is an offence:

    https://www.wrighthassall.co.uk/knowledge/legal-articles/2012/12/18/whos-liable-mud-road/

    Farmers (and other vehicle operatives such as construction companies) are legally obliged to clear up after themselves and are potentially liable for a range of offences. While there is a range of powers available to the police and highways department the primary powers fall under the Highways Act 1980:

    Section 148 of the Highways Act 1980 makes it an offence to deposit mud etc. on the highway that would interrupt other users of the highway.

    Section 149 of the Highways Act 1980 gives the highways authority the power to clean the road and recover its expenses from the person causing the obstruction.

    Section 161 Highways Act 1980 “If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, deposits anything whatsoever on a highway in consequence of which a user of the highway is injured or endangered, that person is guilty of an offence”. Contravention of sections 148 and 162 can lead to a Level 3 fine of £1000 in the magistrate’s court. Furthermore if mud on the road leads to personal injury, damage to property, or any loss or inconvenience then the person responsible may be liable for damages. A conviction in the criminal court may be relied on in a claim for damages.

    ‘Countryside’, ‘trying to make a living’, ‘whatever’, I’m pretty sure you still have an obligation to obey the law and not put other road users at risk.

    Yeah, we all know that it’s an offence. Most farmers actually do regular road cleaning themselves. Doesn’t mean that the road is always going to be clear of mud or that’s in completely avoidable. Get over yourself.

    #951567
    HoarseMann
    kil0ran wrote:
    Most tractors are limited to 30mph so overtaking a road cyclist is tricky, particularly on tight country lanes. I tend to pull over and let them past, otherwise you just end up with a tractor plus a huge queue of pissed off drivers behind it.

    Yep, I pulled over for one of these when I saw it approaching in my mirror the other day. Possibly the most intimidating vehicle I’ve ever seen!

     

    #951565
    peted76

    There’s a few places on our

    There’s a few places on our local routes which get muddy at this time of year, certainly you need to be a bit more careful, but it’s the countryside, it’s autumn (a very wet autumn) and tractors go in and out of fields. No sense getting het up about it, it’ll rain and all will be right again soon enough.

     

    #951563
    Kendalred

    Same here in South Cumbria –

    Same here in South Cumbria – there are some roads I avoid now as I know that the road by these particular farms will be covered in mud and cowshit. Yes they are obliged by law to deal with it, but it’s just like other laws that apply more to the countryside (ie hunting foxes with hounds), they are never upheld.

    I can’t say it bothers me that much, I usually use the winter bike on the commutes so it gets a hose-down after most rides anyway, and I’ve not come close to coming off due to it. Having said that, I’d rather not have to go through it if possible!

     

    #951561
    kil0ran
    ibr17xvii wrote:
    Agree with the OP.

    They are murder for this & also for close passing. If anyone should be giving more room than normal it’s them with the size of their tyres right next to you but for a lot of them it seems too much to ask.

    Most tractors are limited to 30mph so overtaking a road cyclist is tricky, particularly on tight country lanes. I tend to pull over and let them past, otherwise you just end up with a tractor plus a huge queue of pissed off drivers behind it.

    As to the mud on the road, it’s the countryside. Just like you don’t have a bike wash available when you come off the trail, they don’t have tractor washes in every field. Dealing with mud and run-off from fields is the downside of living in the countryside and all those other benefits you get. Same with thorns and rubbish from hedge cutting and, in my case, coming round a corner on a descent to find the road full of pigs. Or getting covered in cow shit. Or being chased by cows. Or having deer appear from nowhere. 

    If you live somewhere rural you make adjustments for local conditions. I’ve never encountered an issue with mud on the road in years of cycling in and around the New Forest. Diesel spills, now that’s another matter…

    #951559
    brooksby
    Htc wrote:
    Or…. just people going about their business trying to make a living. It’s the countryside, get over it.

    Except that it is an offence:

    https://www.wrighthassall.co.uk/knowledge/legal-articles/2012/12/18/whos-liable-mud-road/

    Farmers (and other vehicle operatives such as construction companies) are legally obliged to clear up after themselves and are potentially liable for a range of offences. While there is a range of powers available to the police and highways department the primary powers fall under the Highways Act 1980:

    Section 148 of the Highways Act 1980 makes it an offence to deposit mud etc. on the highway that would interrupt other users of the highway.

    Section 149 of the Highways Act 1980 gives the highways authority the power to clean the road and recover its expenses from the person causing the obstruction.

    Section 161 Highways Act 1980 “If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, deposits anything whatsoever on a highway in consequence of which a user of the highway is injured or endangered, that person is guilty of an offence”. Contravention of sections 148 and 162 can lead to a Level 3 fine of £1000 in the magistrate’s court. Furthermore if mud on the road leads to personal injury, damage to property, or any loss or inconvenience then the person responsible may be liable for damages. A conviction in the criminal court may be relied on in a claim for damages.

    ‘Countryside’, ‘trying to make a living’, ‘whatever’, I’m pretty sure you still have an obligation to obey the law and not put other road users at risk.

    #951557
    Htc

    Or…. just people going

    Or…. just people going about their business trying to make a living. It’s the countryside, get over it.

    #951555
    Sriracha

    My guess is they don’t really
    My guess is they don’t really understand the problem, probably see it only in terms of a few chelsea tractor drivers moaning about having to pay an extra £5 to an illegal car wash gang exploiting another Romanian slave labourer.

    If it is a regular route, maybe get to speak with the farmer and explain your side of things, like nicely. It might work. I don’t see “enforcement” working.

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