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  • August 8, 2019 at 12:30 pm #30001
    MinardiM189

    Just had my first look at the route and details of the race.

    Looks like there is a big change in the points competition this year. Some stage have 5 intermediate sprints, some have only one and a lot of the intermediate sprints are half way up a climb. There is one on the flat 2km from the start of a mountain stage.

    I have no idea how points are going to be awarded, I can’t find a copy of the rules anywhere but it looks like they are trying to create a more competitive competition, which can be won by sprinters, climbers, puncheurs or breakers. Dr Winston should like this.

    Interestingly the most competitive rider is chosen by the public via social media.

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  • August 23, 2019 at 12:32 pm #947891
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    11waterloo

    Condor Andy wrote:

    Condor Andy wrote:
    11waterloo wrote:

    Is the transfer window really closing at 11am tomorrow ? I only ask because the stage doesn’t begin until just before 6pm and that will leave me 6+ hours to fret over who in my team is going to stack it in the recon rides! 

    That’s the one outstanding thing I have left to do, sort out the deadlines. It will be about 15 mins before the first team sets off.

    Cheers!

    August 23, 2019 at 11:49 am #947889
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    Condor Andy

    11waterloo wrote:

    11waterloo wrote:

    Is the transfer window really closing at 11am tomorrow ? I only ask because the stage doesn’t begin until just before 6pm and that will leave me 6+ hours to fret over who in my team is going to stack it in the recon rides! 

    That’s the one outstanding thing I have left to do, sort out the deadlines. It will be about 15 mins before the first team sets off.

    August 23, 2019 at 9:37 am #947887
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    11waterloo

    Is the transfer window really

    Is the transfer window really closing at 11am tomorrow ? I only ask because the stage doesn’t begin until just before 6pm and that will leave me 6+ hours to fret over who in my team is going to stack it in the recon rides! 

    August 22, 2019 at 11:00 pm #947885
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    Dr Winston

    Carapaz out of the Vuelta. 

    Carapaz out of the Vuelta. 

    August 22, 2019 at 4:56 pm #947883
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    MinardiM189

    A bit weird but Jesper Hansen

    A bit weird but Jesper Hansen from Cofidis is missing and doesn’t even appear if you show all riders.

    However he does appear on show all riders for the Autumn Classics.

    August 22, 2019 at 12:36 pm #947881
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    Dr Winston
    MinardiM189 wrote:
    Dr Winston wrote:
    Ineos (SKY) have been very good at shielding one paticular rider over the years….to the point where it’s actually caused them problems within the  team (Froome and Wiggins for example).  Jumbo are running into similar territory as their team strengthens even more, and Movistar is well documented. 

    My question wasn’t really about Ineos but the tactic of going into GT’s with a suck it and see team. 

    Do you like that tactic or do you think a nominated leader is a better way to go?..I prefer the latter.

    It depends on the situation.

    If you have one rider who is clearly superior I think having a nominated leader is best, eg. Froome at Sky most years. In 2018 it wasn’t clear how he would perform after winning the Giro so they went with 2 leaders which was a sensible solution.

    What is most important is the members of the team understand and accept the team leadership.

    I think the problem at Movistar is Quintana expecting to be leader when he hasn’t shown that he is clearly superior to the other riders. At the Giro Carapaz & Landa worked well together, they were joint leaders but once Carapaz established a meaningful lead Landa accepted that unless anything extraordinary occurred he would have to play second fiddle.

     

    I suppose a lot can depend upon the personalities involved as well.  Trying to get big egos to play a team game could be tricky….some riders on the other hand seem well grounded.

    August 22, 2019 at 12:10 pm #947879
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    archieboy

    Carapaz may not start

    Carapaz may not start following a training crash, decision in the morning.

    August 22, 2019 at 9:30 am #947877
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    MinardiM189

    What is going on at Ineos ?

    What is going on at Ineos ?

    De la Cruz in Elissonde out for the Vuelta.

    Slightly better for the Team Time Trial but less support on the climbs , imo.

    I don’t think either of them will be at Ineos next year.

    August 22, 2019 at 9:26 am #947875
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    MinardiM189
    Dr Winston wrote:
    Ineos (SKY) have been very good at shielding one paticular rider over the years….to the point where it’s actually caused them problems within the  team (Froome and Wiggins for example).  Jumbo are running into similar territory as their team strengthens even more, and Movistar is well documented. 

    My question wasn’t really about Ineos but the tactic of going into GT’s with a suck it and see team. 

    Do you like that tactic or do you think a nominated leader is a better way to go?..I prefer the latter.

    It depends on the situation.

    If you have one rider who is clearly superior I think having a nominated leader is best, eg. Froome at Sky most years. In 2018 it wasn’t clear how he would perform after winning the Giro so they went with 2 leaders which was a sensible solution.

    What is most important is the members of the team understand and accept the team leadership.

    I think the problem at Movistar is Quintana expecting to be leader when he hasn’t shown that he is clearly superior to the other riders. At the Giro Carapaz & Landa worked well together, they were joint leaders but once Carapaz established a meaningful lead Landa accepted that unless anything extraordinary occurred he would have to play second fiddle.

     

    August 22, 2019 at 12:09 am #947873
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    carnesjf

    You da man thanks

    You da man thanks

     

    Condor Andy wrote:
    I read up in the rules that they’re not awarding the points jersey for the TTT, and there are no climbs. So only the GC and youth jerseys are awarded. Safe money is on Jumbo to win it, maybe with someone random crossing first. Powless, Kuss, of Hofstede for youth (I think they’re all eligible).

    Also, Winston, Hart is there to learn from Poels. I would bet that Poels will finish higher up GC, but I’m not sure. When the big favourite teams are Movistar, Jumbo, and Astana, then anything Ineos pick up is a bonus.

    August 21, 2019 at 8:23 pm #947871
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    Dr Winston
    MinardiM189 wrote:
    Dr Winston wrote:
    Good start for my team in defence of my win last year. Put Eddie Dunbar in who now appears to be greyed out and replaced by Wout Poels. 

    Poels and Hart declared as joint leaders and sort it out as the race unfolds….this seems to be becoming a thing with Ineos now.

    Good tactic or bad tactic?…thoughts.

    Do they have a choice ?

    Poels could be a podium contender but could also be out of contention after the first GC stage.

    So asking Poels to support TGH & vice versa makes no sense until they see how things go.

    Ineos (SKY) have been very good at shielding one paticular rider over the years….to the point where it’s actually caused them problems within the  team (Froome and Wiggins for example).  Jumbo are running into similar territory as their team strengthens even more, and Movistar is well documented. 

    My question wasn’t really about Ineos but the tactic of going into GT’s with a suck it and see team. 

    Do you like that tactic or do you think a nominated leader is a better way to go?..I prefer the latter.

    August 21, 2019 at 2:03 pm #947869
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    Condor Andy
    jollygoodvelo wrote:
    Giro where it was possible to pick the perfect team then? 😉

    Ha! I reckon that will still be the case. I’ve just picked Valverde then 4 other hopefuls.

    August 21, 2019 at 2:00 pm #947867
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    Anonymous
    Condor Andy wrote:
    Opened everything now. Had to adjust the budget for the Spanish riders comp as there are only 35 of them and Valverde is the only expensive one.

    No repeat of the Giro where it was possible to pick the perfect team then? 😉

    August 21, 2019 at 11:48 am #947865
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    MinardiM189
    Dr Winston wrote:
    Good start for my team in defence of my win last year. Put Eddie Dunbar in who now appears to be greyed out and replaced by Wout Poels. 

    Poels and Hart declared as joint leaders and sort it out as the race unfolds….this seems to be becoming a thing with Ineos now.

    Good tactic or bad tactic?…thoughts.

    Do they have a choice ?

    Poels could be a podium contender but could also be out of contention after the first GC stage.

    So asking Poels to support TGH & vice versa makes no sense until they see how things go.

    August 21, 2019 at 10:14 am #947863
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    Condor Andy

    I read up in the rules that

    I read up in the rules that they’re not awarding the points jersey for the TTT, and there are no climbs. So only the GC and youth jerseys are awarded. Safe money is on Jumbo to win it, maybe with someone random crossing first. Powless, Kuss, of Hofstede for youth (I think they’re all eligible).

    Also, Winston, Hart is there to learn from Poels. I would bet that Poels will finish higher up GC, but I’m not sure. When the big favourite teams are Movistar, Jumbo, and Astana, then anything Ineos pick up is a bonus.

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