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May 2, 2019 at 12:36 am #29603
Dr Winston
Thought i’d try an early post for some pre race thoughts…so i’ll Start..
https://www.cyclingstage.com/giro-2019-route/
Loving the last stage….for some of us old timers it’s like Laurent Fignon all over again. Do we approve?..or do we like the procession and sprint?
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Dr Winston wrote:Disaster for Big Tom and my purist team….damned shame…Doesn’t look good for him.
Dumoulin is starting today but I’m not sure he will go all the way to Verona now.
Awful season for Sunweb, Matthews crashed screwed up his Spring, Kelderman crashed screwed up his season, Oomen crashed and abandoned in Itzulia
stevemarks
Sniffer wrote:Condor Andy wrote:MinardiM189 wrote:At one stage Viviani was 4th in the points classification with the 18 points he scored on Stage 2.However it now appears that these points taken off him as an additional punishment.
That’s what I’m assuming too, but I was trying to find confirmation of his punishment.
I think he will be on minus points
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-viviani-unrepentant-after-sprint-punishment/
Yep sorry PCS has updated it now 18 points after stage 2, none now after stage 3. well maybe save him a weeks riding in Italy….lol serve the inconsistent authories right. silly really the one sprinter who might have stayed on to the end. Although now Demare will probably have to do it.
Dr Winston
Disaster for Big Tom and my
Disaster for Big Tom and my purist team….damned shame…Doesn’t look good for him.
Dr Winston wrote:I think they’ve gone a bit mad with it tbh Minardi. I remember the days when sprints at both sides of the road were common to keep out of trouble…those days have been replaced by more single bunched sprints hiding behind each other. Having race craft and knowing how to stay out of trouble by using the whole road is an art whether at GC or sprint disciplines…..or at least it was.I think the problem is inconsistency in applying penalties.
UCI rules state that riders shouldn’t change line and impede other riders but the rule isn’t often applied.
In the last 3 or 4 years sprinting has changed too. Reducing the number of riders in teams has meant some teams don’t bring a sprint train and rely on jumping on other riders trains and hopping wheels.
Personally I think riders are talking rubbish when they say they didn’t realise another rider was there. They have a very good idea who is near them and I am pretty sure Viviani realised someone was coming up on his left and he deliberately moved further over than necessary to obstruct them. What he didn’t realise is how fast Moschetti was coming and as a result hit him.
Like most sprinters Moschetti had the reactions and bike handling ability to avoid crashing.
Dr Winston
MinardiM189 wrote:Sniffer wrote:Condor Andy wrote:MinardiM189 wrote:At one stage Viviani was 4th in the points classification with the 18 points he scored on Stage 2.However it now appears that these points taken off him as an additional punishment.
That’s what I’m assuming too, but I was trying to find confirmation of his punishment.
I think he will be on minus points
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-viviani-unrepentant-after-sprint-punishment/
I suspect that some of the punishment is for what he has said to the judges. When Nizzolo was relegated in the fianl stage in 2016 he didn’t lose any points.
Didn’t Viviani have a major tantrum at the track World Championship one year, accusing all the other riders of conspiring against him, or was that Gaviria?
I think they’ve gone a bit mad with it tbh Minardi. I remember the days when sprints at both sides of the road were common to keep out of trouble…those days have been replaced by more single bunched sprints hiding behind each other. Having race craft and knowing how to stay out of trouble by using the whole road is an art whether at GC or sprint disciplines…..or at least it was.
Sniffer wrote:Condor Andy wrote:MinardiM189 wrote:At one stage Viviani was 4th in the points classification with the 18 points he scored on Stage 2.However it now appears that these points taken off him as an additional punishment.
That’s what I’m assuming too, but I was trying to find confirmation of his punishment.
I think he will be on minus points
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-viviani-unrepentant-after-sprint-punishment/
I suspect that some of the punishment is for what he has said to the judges. When Nizzolo was relegated in the fianl stage in 2016 he didn’t lose any points.
Didn’t Viviani have a major tantrum at the track World Championship one year, accusing all the other riders of conspiring against him, or was that Gaviria?
Dr Winston
TDG waking up and chasing
TDG waking up and chasing the break…
Sniffer
Condor Andy wrote:MinardiM189 wrote:At one stage Viviani was 4th in the points classification with the 18 points he scored on Stage 2.However it now appears that these points taken off him as an additional punishment.
That’s what I’m assuming too, but I was trying to find confirmation of his punishment.
I think he will be on minus points
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-viviani-unrepentant-after-sprint-punishment/
Condor Andy
MinardiM189 wrote:At one stage Viviani was 4th in the points classification with the 18 points he scored on Stage 2.However it now appears that these points taken off him as an additional punishment.
That’s what I’m assuming too, but I was trying to find confirmation of his punishment.
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]stevemarks wrote:Hi Folks Viviani appears to have scored 0 but is in fourth place i the sprints comp?Am I missing something?
Where are you seeing this? I’m seeing Gaviria, Ackermann, Demare, Moschetti, Yates. I actually don’t see Viviani’s name anywhere in that jersey comp.
At one stage Viviani was 4th in the points classification with the 18 points he scored on Stage 2.
However it now appears that these points taken off him as an additional punishment.
Condor Andy
]stevemarks wrote:Hi Folks Viviani appears to have scored 0 but is in fourth place i the sprints comp?Am I missing something?
Where are you seeing this? I’m seeing Gaviria, Ackermann, Demare, Moschetti, Yates. I actually don’t see Viviani’s name anywhere in that jersey comp.
Hi Folks Viviani appears to
Hi Folks Viviani appears to have scored 0 but is in fourth place i the sprints comp?
Am I missing something?
Condor Andy wrote:I’m looking at the Giro website now and in the intermediate sprint classifications for stage 2 have 10-6-3-2-1 for both, with 3 riders listed on the first one as having 0 points. Weird discrepency with Frapporti showing 10 and 3 points for the sprints, but only on 12 total for the stage. Your guess is as good as mine. I might peruse the Garibaldi at lunch to see if there’s any fine print.I found the rules for intermediate sprints.
Only the 1st Int. Sprint counts towards the points competition, the first 8 riders score – 12,8,6,5,4,3,2,1
There are only bonus seconds at the 2nd Intermediate Sprint 3,2,1 seconds.
There is a separate intermediate sprint competition, the 1st 5 riders score – 10,6,3,2,1
Unless Demare was going for the intermediate sprint competition, he was wasting his time at the 2nd intermediate sprint today.
Dr Winston
Condor Andy wrote:Dr Winston wrote:Good decision. The Vuelta was really hard work last year with stages going from flat to mountains and back again all the time.That’s the general idea, gives slightly more wiggle room so people aren’t pushed to write stages off due to lack of transfers.
That’s actually what i’ve been doing…and the advice I gave to my brother in my ML. Try to decide which stages aren’t worth any transfers….usually the ones involving rolleurs and punchers…far more certainty in sprint and GC stages. ..Not that he’s taken any notice so far.
Condor Andy
Dr Winston wrote:Good decision. The Vuelta was really hard work last year with stages going from flat to mountains and back again all the time.That’s the general idea, gives slightly more wiggle room so people aren’t pushed to write stages off due to lack of transfers.
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