Wheelsuckers

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    KirinChris

    What to do…

    We have a club ride on Fridays.

    There’s usually a group of about 8-12 who split from the main ride and keep a pretty good pace. The roads here are flat and straight so we do turns on the front. Sometimes it’s quite hard work at 45+km/h but often we are just cruising along at 38-40km/h.

    Anyway in the last few weeks a new rider has joined us who sits on the wheels and never does any turns. It’s quite remarkable to watch. He clearly knows how a group works and plays it to avoid ever getting to the front. If he accidentally gets to second wheel he starts looking around, leaving a little gap, then a bit bigger and looking for an opportunity to drop back. He doesn’t just signal and move out, he breaks it up and uses that as cover to drop back. Today I was even pointing to the gap in front of him and telling him to close up.

    He’s not a weak rider. He even has the nerve to go with the sprint at the end. He’s clearly perfectly capable of keeping the cruising pace.

    What does the panel think ? I have to say something to him, but should I tell him he’s a parasitic wheelsucker or be a little more conciliatory.

    He wears an Astana top too, which in itself is worthy of reproach.

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  • #638013
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    KirinChris

    So, update after the Friday
    So, update after the Friday ride – he is no longer a wheelsucker.

    Came through like a good’un, did his turn and dropped back.

    So there you go, all those wise heads who cautioned the direct and polite approach – result. 🙂

    #638011
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    KirinChris

    Hi Rob,
    What dates are you

    Hi Rob,

    What dates are you going to be there ? I’m away this week 24th but can hook you up with people. The Friday ride leaves from the carpark of Spinneys supermarket (Khalidiya branch) at 0530 sharp.

    A lot of people will be doing a triathlon this Friday but there will still be a group riding.

    If it’s the week after I’ll be around. I’ve PMd you my details.

    Lots of details on the tri club website: http://www.abudhabitriclub.org or there is a forum too http://www.abudhabitriclub.proboards.com .

    #638009
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    Rob747

    Hi
    I’m visiting Abu Dhabi

    Hi
    I’m visiting Abu Dhabi next week.
    Where do you meet? Could I join you?
    Promise i’ll do my turn!
    thx

    Rob

    #638007
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    KirinChris

    No worries, it was meant to
    No worries, it was meant to be a straight face i.e. deadpan.

    I thought it was witty in an emoticonical way, but maybe I should have gone for the unambiguous 😉 .

    #638005
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    Stofish

    Chris, I stand corrected and
    Chris, I stand corrected and must admit that this information totally changes the context for me.
    Sorry for assuming too much (didn’t realise that was a Russian emoticon).

    James.

    #638003
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    KirinChris

    Is Oct 19 now National Take
    Is Oct 19 now National Take People Way Too Seriously Day ?

    Tim… hyperbole.

    Stofish … the emoticon is your clue.

    He’s not a local, he’s Russian I believe or something ex-Soviet. Nevertheless how do people learn in any cycling group – they watch and copy. You don’t need to speak the language. We have Arabs, French, Spaniards, a Mexican, Italians, a Hungarian even Australians and they’ve all managed to pick it up.

    Sheesh…

    … now which Australian is going to point out they speak English ?

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    timlennon

    And it’s unfair to say roads
    And it’s unfair to say roads close for six weeks in the UK, Chris. Our road-centric society means that a huge amount of motorway work now happens at night, so as not to inconvenience the driving public … Aside from any cycle-centric observations, a lot of main-road work now seems to be handled in a very quick and efficient manner, imo.

    #637999
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    Stofish

    I apologise in advance if I’m
    I apologise in advance if I’m missing something here.
    It seems to me that poor etiquette seems to be not only of the cycling variety…

    I’m imagining an Arabic cycling forum where they are discussing an English bloke trying to tell a local how to ride a bike by pointing and talking loud and slow in a foreign language…

    Perhaps you should try communicating in his (I’m assuming the local) language?

    I am making a lot of assumptions here, but if I understanding well, try and sort out the log in your own eye before examining the speck in his.

    #637997
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    KirinChris

    Old Cranky wrote:You’ve not

    Old Cranky wrote:
    You’ve not resolved the problem, you’ve shifted it to another group. :B

    Out of interest, what sort of debris do you get on the road in Abu Dhabi?

    True, although the other groups don’t ride as fast or as tightly so the effect is diminished.

    Debris is our main problem here. The roads themselves are brilliant – mostly new, very wide, big hard shoulders and wonderfully smooth.

    But there is so much construction work and freight, and some of the trucks and companies are run without a great deal of regard for health and safety.

    So you often get stuff that has just fallen off open trucks – wood, metal, gravel – or that has been scattered around in an accident.

    And they seem to shred a huge number of tires – I guess they use retreads a lot – so you can get great strips of rubber lying around, and of course we are riding on the side or hard shoulder where it all gets thrown.

    The standard puncture out here is a small piece of metal, a little like a straightened-out staple. I believe it’s from the tires.

    And although the roads are generally good they don’t seem to maintain them much. They just build new ones. So there are some bits where maybe some wet concrete has dropped from a truck and hardened or for some reason the road has been deformed and it will stay that way for years. It can be quite a large lump or hole – the sort of thing they would close two lanes and take six weeks to fix in the UK. But generally we know where they are.

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    Old Cranky

    You’ve not resolved the
    You’ve not resolved the problem, you’ve shifted it to another group. :B

    Out of interest, what sort of debris do you get on the road in Abu Dhabi?

    #637993
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    KirinChris

    Slight anti-climax but I
    Slight anti-climax but I don’t think this one is finished.

    I spoke to him – nicely. I even introduced myself first and shook hands, at our drink stop.

    His English isn’t great so I had to speak loudly and slowly and do lots of little play-acting to help. 😐

    I just said that when he was in the line we noticed he often left gaps and that made it difficult for the people behind. So if he was riding in the line – especially with the fast group – he needed to keep close and come through on his turn, even if only for a few seconds.

    He seemed to agree and said OK.

    But then he joined one of the slower, looser groups after that.

    Result for us either way really. For him too – a couple of the Very Fast Riders had come out with malevolent intent until I told them I was going to speak to him.

    The test will be if and when he joins the fast group again.

    As a reminder of why this sort of thing matters, we had a bloke carted off in an ambulance today – not in our group but one of the slower groups. I’m told he was at the back and hit some debris on the road that hadn’t been signalled by the riders ahead. Basic stuff.

    When you ride in a group you ride as a group for very good reasons.

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    vorsprung

    Seeing as the training ride
    Seeing as the training ride is supposed to be training for racing I suggest you bitch and moan at the bloke

    Then he will say he’d love to take a turn on the front, but team orders, y’know

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    simonmb

    After all this advice, I hope
    After all this advice, I hope he bloody well turns up to ride! 😉

    #637987
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    KirinChris

    Yes well Friday will be the
    Yes well Friday will be the next opportunity, and after the week I’ve had I’m ready to bite someone’s head off.

    The pre-ride talk idea doesn’t really work. About a quarter of the group starts at one end of town and people (I think including Mr Astana) join us as we ride along the Corniche so by the time we get out and onto the open road we have about 40 in total.

    Then the hammer goes down and we split up into at least two groups on the way out, and sometimes three or four on the way home. But other times we all stay together.

    It’s very anarchic which is why we tend to end up with that ‘elite’ group of people who are basically the core cyclists who want a proper group ride.

    BTW we also have a Newbies ride every month for people who aren’t used to group riding, and on the website and forum there are several links to descriptions of ride etiquette.
    http://www.abudhabitriclub.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=allthingscyclistic&action=display&thread=117 .
    Even the triathletes have managed to work it out :B

    It will have to be a quiet word on the road, and a surprise attack if he doesn’t fall into line.

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    timlennon

    I have no experience
    I have no experience whatsoever in such riding, but would also advocate finding some method to actually talk to him about it. It does sound like bad form, and you don’t want to spend an entire ride annoyed at someone you’re riding with in such a close group …

    Do let us know what happens!

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