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I can’t help it if a cyclist falls over, says Helen Measures

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  • September 21, 2018 at 5:09 pm #927557
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    morgoth985

    Now look, we’re just going

    Now look, we’re just going around in a cycle of agreement here that measures need to be in place to prevent murder.  I’m sure there will be a steering group that’s driving this case right through to the death.

    September 21, 2018 at 3:12 pm #927555
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    rhustle

    Just read this. Sad.

     

    Just read this. Sad.

    http://www.henleystandard.co.uk/news/emergency-services/86576/heartfelt-letter-from-parents-of-cyclist-killed-on-road.html

    September 21, 2018 at 2:32 pm #927553
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    FluffyKittenofTindalos

    Some forms of selfish

    Some forms of selfish recklessness, while in a technical legal sense not the same as killing with intent (murder), are pretty much on-a-par  with it, morally.

      It would serve the interests of justice if measures were in place to address that.  And once in place, measures should stay in that place for a very long time.

    September 21, 2018 at 1:40 pm #927551
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    morgoth985

    Just so I’ve got this right,

    Just so I’ve got this right, we’re talking about Helen Measures, who is the same person that we’re not calling a murderer (in text, on the internet etc etc), because none of us would be so foolish as to go that far.  That Helen Measures?

    September 21, 2018 at 1:33 pm #927549
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    Internet Pawn
    henryb wrote:
    I like the journalistic detail in the Telegraph article

    “Measures, a former parish church bell ringer…”

    Oh well, that’s alright then…

    It’s probably also time we stopped referring to Helen Measures, cyclist killer, as Dr Helen Measures, as though having a PhD from Solent University and a career in Big Pharma makes her life more worthwhile than her victim’s.

    September 21, 2018 at 9:44 am #927547
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    Jimmy Ray Will

    I feel for jurors in these

    I feel for jurors in these cases, as they have no solid framework to base their judgements on.

    For instance. I propose that anyone involved in a collision whilst driving on the wrong side of the road should start from a position of guilty, not the current position of innocent until proven guilty.

    Why are there questions around this? You drive on the left of the road. There are generally white lines down suitably wide enough roads to dictate which side is which. Its not rocket science. 

    I appreciate that there are perfectly valid reasons to move into the oncoming lane, however when doing so, there should always, and I mean always, be a responsbility borne by the person doing so, to do so in a safe manner. 

    Oncoming traffic having to stop, having to manouvere out of the way, should be seen as an automatic fail in that responsibility. 

    If jurors delierated this case, with the above guideline in place, how could they fail to convict? Its all well and good saying the cyclist didn’t have the skill to avoid the collision and is therefore culpable, however that becomes a moot point, when that cyclists need to have that skill is in itself an admission of guilt for the driver. 

    Basically I’m saying that many of the current issues we experience is around juror decisions, and if we could sort this out, a lot of the other issues would go away… maybe. 

    September 21, 2018 at 7:58 am #927545
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    brooksby

    It just seems to me that the

    It just seems to me that the Gov are concentrating on “dangerous bl00dy cyclists” (Alliston case, basically), whereas there are so many more cases where justice doesn’t seem to have been done where the tyre was on the other wheel, so to speak.

    We have Helen Measures killing Denisa Perinova, Gail Purcell killing Michael Mason, and other cases that google can find for you (those are the two that came straight to mind).

    The figures on KSI by motorists are awful, whether a pedestrian is crossing the road or just going about their business on a footpath they are still massively more likely to be KSI by a motorist than by a cyclist.

    BTBS found the figures for KSI by a cyclist vs KSI by a motorist, and the one is thousands of times greater than the other.  And I don’t think that a cyclist has ever killed a motorist on the roads…

    But, yeah, lets concentrate on dangerous cyclists, eh…? 

    September 21, 2018 at 5:17 am #927543
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    hawkinspeter wrote:
    fenix wrote:
    We’ve all been those cyclists haven’t we – car overtakes bikes on their side and comes head on to us.  

     

    Whether it’s poor sight or poor driving I don’t know – but its there for the grace of god goes us. Poor Denisa. No fault of her own. Tragic. 

    My view is that overtaking when you cannot see that it is safe to do so is definitely poor and inconsiderate driving.

    Surely by definition it’s dangerous given the known outcomes and indeed was the root cause of why someone died. Should have been maslaughter.

    One can but hope guilt haunts her every day but I doubt it, she clearly can only see her involvement in the death of a human being as trivial at most. I can only wish horrible bad luck for her and her brief, that the judge did not intervene when he said what he did is an utter disgrace in itself. Jurists, well, how typical that these people are so often the problem and that they based on their low standards are allowed to sit in judgement of someone of the same level so cannot have an objective view by definition. That general public have an anti cycling viewpoint in itself means trials such as these cannot ever be fair or just.

    The gov and CPS are weak as fuck and we are in a more dangerous society and more deaths and injuries occur because of their inaction/failures to address the issues at all levels.

    September 20, 2018 at 7:38 pm #927541
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    hawkinspeter
    fenix wrote:
    We’ve all been those cyclists haven’t we – car overtakes bikes on their side and comes head on to us.  

     

    Whether it’s poor sight or poor driving I don’t know – but its there for the grace of god goes us. Poor Denisa. No fault of her own. Tragic. 

    My view is that overtaking when you cannot see that it is safe to do so is definitely poor and inconsiderate driving.

    September 20, 2018 at 7:36 pm #927539
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    davel
    vonhelmet wrote:
    She’s obviously not a murderer, given she didn’t intend to kill anyone. Anyone calling her a murderer would be a fool. Fortunately, you wouldn’t go that far.

    Dr Helen Measures, a murderer? No, I wouldn’t say that, but I can see why some might. In text. On the Internet. 

    September 20, 2018 at 7:18 pm #927537
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    hawkinspeter

    It’d be justice if every

    It’d be justice if every juror member had a close friend or family member killed in a similar manner and had to stand by whilst their killers got completely let off.

    September 20, 2018 at 6:06 pm #927535
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    vonhelmet

    She’s obviously not a

    She’s obviously not a murderer, given she didn’t intend to kill anyone. Anyone calling her a murderer would be a fool. Fortunately, you wouldn’t go that far.

    September 20, 2018 at 5:21 pm #927533
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    davel
    brooksby wrote:
    henryb wrote:
    I like the journalistic detail in the Telegraph article

    “Measures, a former parish church bell ringer…”

    Oh well, that’s alright then…

    I think Bez did a whiole blog post on how someone doing good works, churchgoing, etc, is completely f-ing irrelevant to whether or not they are a good driver.

    Here y’go: https://beyondthekerb.org.uk/the-problem-with-good-people/

    I’d go the other way. I’m suspicious of anyone living today who thinks rocking up to a big house once a week or making some noise appeases a sky fairy that had its day in the iron age.

    Are we talking about cyclist-killer Dr Helen Measures? Some might call her a murderer. I myself wouldn’t go that far. 

    September 20, 2018 at 3:40 pm #927531
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    PRSboy

    Reports say it was the A415

    Reports say it was the A415 (which I don’t think exists in Henley) but I’m sure it was the B480 Stonor valley road.

    I ride up there regularly, a beautiful peaceful road, twisty and very poorly sighted and there are very few places to safely do 50mph.

    Reading the reports at the time I simply can’t believe she got away with it.

    September 20, 2018 at 3:31 pm #927529
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    FluffyKittenofTindalos
    brooksby wrote:
    henryb wrote:
    I like the journalistic detail in the Telegraph article

    “Measures, a former parish church bell ringer…”

    Oh well, that’s alright then…

    I think Bez did a whiole blog post on how someone doing good works, churchgoing, etc, is completely f-ing irrelevant to whether or not they are a good driver.

    Here y’go: https://beyondthekerb.org.uk/the-problem-with-good-people/

     

    Church bell-ringing hardly counts as ‘good works’  anyway.  It’s just a hobby, no more proof of good character than working on a miniature railway or playing football in the park on Sundays.

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