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This is why you should wear a helmet on a bike

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  • July 13, 2018 at 8:25 pm #923231
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    Hirsute
    Pitbull Steelers wrote:
    hirsute wrote:
    Pitbull Steelers wrote:
    So then are people not allowed to give their opinion on what might or might not have been the outcome if the laddie had been wearing a helmet ?

    You seem rather confused.

    When you say opinion, you mean speculation. You know,  given we don’t even know the circumstances. 

    Nope, no confusion from me – the Cambridge English dictionary on the word opinion is

    “We use opinion as a noun to mean beliefs or judgements about someone or something. When it refers to the beliefs or judgements of individuals”

    There you go, it is the opinion of the Police officer and the mam or the opinion of many on here.

    However you are right as well,  from the same dictionary Speculation:

    “the act of guessing possible answers to a question without having enough information to be certain”. 

    In the end they are both very similar, hope that clears it up for you. 

    Neither of them expressd an opinion, they made an assertion. Also you did not mention them in your post.

    You also said “So then are people not allowed to give their opinion on what might or might not have been the outcome if the laddie had been wearing a helmet ? “

     That is speculation as we don’t even know the circumstances, and especially if you couch it in terms of “might ot might not”.

     

    July 13, 2018 at 8:10 pm #923229
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    Anonymous
    hirsute wrote:
    Pitbull Steelers wrote:
    So then are people not allowed to give their opinion on what might or might not have been the outcome if the laddie had been wearing a helmet ?

    You seem rather confused.

    When you say opinion, you mean speculation. You know,  given we don’t even know the circumstances. 

    Nope, no confusion from me – the Cambridge English dictionary on the word opinion is

    “We use opinion as a noun to mean beliefs or judgements about someone or something. When it refers to the beliefs or judgements of individuals”

    There you go, it is the opinion of the Police officer and the mam or the opinion of many on here.

    However you are right as well,  from the same dictionary Speculation:

    “the act of guessing possible answers to a question without having enough information to be certain”. 

    In the end they are both very similar, hope that clears it up for you. 

    July 13, 2018 at 7:58 pm #923227
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    Hirsute
    Pitbull Steelers wrote:
    So then are people not allowed to give their opinion on what might or might not have been the outcome if the laddie had been wearing a helmet ?

    You seem rather confused.

    When you say opinion, you mean speculation. You know,  given we don’t even know the circumstances. 

    July 13, 2018 at 7:42 pm #923225
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    Anonymous

    So then are people not

    So then are people not allowed to give their opinion on what might or might not have been the outcome if the laddie had been wearing a helmet ? 

    It seems not, going by some of the comments on here, but hang on, aren’t they giving their opinion on someone else giving their opinion……hmmm interesting. 

    It might be right, it might be wrong, we’ll never know but freedom of speech is still legal in this country, of course though thats just my opinion.

    July 13, 2018 at 3:32 pm #923223
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    Anonymous
    Beecho wrote:
    Compulsory hi-viz on bouncy castles!

    doesn’t go far enough if you ask me,

    This callous victim blaming is insidious and benefits no-one except criminal motorists and the police who then can simply lay the blame at the door of injured or killed people riding bikes as they’ve ben doing for years. Oh yeah it beenfits the hand-wringers because they’ll apparently be justified in their nonsense bullshit.

    July 12, 2018 at 6:48 pm #923221
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    Beecho

    Compulsory hi-viz on bouncy

    Compulsory hi-viz on bouncy castles!

    July 12, 2018 at 6:42 pm #923219
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    hawkinspeter

    At the moment, there’s also

    At the moment, there’s also some fuss about “deadly” inflatables after a couple of children have unfortunately died of head injuries (as I recall, one inflatable took off with the kid inside and the other one suddenly popped). However, helmets have not even been mentioned in relation to those cases – double standards?

    July 12, 2018 at 5:37 pm #923217
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    don simon fbpe
    David9694 wrote:
    Anyone feeling brave enough to wade into the discussion on the PC’s Facebook page?

    I guess we’re all glad (for the avoidance of doubt, as am I )  that the situation isn’t more serious. It’s clearly fortunate that the pc was on the scene when she was. 

    Perhaps an examination of the role of the van and driver will follow and what actually happened will become clearer later on? “A scene of total devastation” and a “potentially fatal road traffic collision” seem unlikely things to have been caused just by a group of lads on bikes: another contributory factor seems likely. 

    You must’ve missed the kids doing wheelies thread then, the resident snobs on here have kids on bikes as being feral, so not beyond the realms of possibility, if you listen to them dumb shits.

    July 12, 2018 at 5:16 pm #923215
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    David9694

    Anyone feeling brave enough

    Anyone feeling brave enough to wade into the discussion on the PC’s Facebook page?

    I guess we’re all glad (for the avoidance of doubt, as am I )  that the situation isn’t more serious. It’s clearly fortunate that the pc was on the scene when she was. 

    Perhaps an examination of the role of the van and driver will follow and what actually happened will become clearer later on? “A scene of total devastation” and a “potentially fatal road traffic collision” seem unlikely things to have been caused just by a group of lads on bikes: another contributory factor seems likely. 

    July 12, 2018 at 12:49 pm #923213
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    hawkinspeter
    ChrisB200SX wrote:
    hawkinspeter wrote:
    Apparently, “he sustained an incredibly serious skull fracture as a result of not wearing a helmet” so being knocked off his bike was merely incidental.


    Fairly sure it wasn’t the wearing nothing on his head (like he’s done for most of the rest of his time on this earth) that caused the injury. Why do people like this see being “knocked off” as normal and to be expected?

    Metro is owned by DMGT who also happens to own The Daily Heil Mail but I’m sure that fact has no bearing on the standard of their reporting or any hidden agendas.

    July 12, 2018 at 12:48 pm #923211
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    alansmurphy

    hirsute wrote:

    hirsute wrote:
    ”Us as parents can prevent this from happening, all it takes is a cycle helmet, and make it compulsory for us and especially our children for their own safety. Act now before it’s too late.” As simple as that. In her spare time PC Stanton specialises in string theory, anglo saxon history and fluid mechanics.

     

    At which part of a human being forcing its way out of her body did she change from not giving a shite about the safety of children to being an expert.

     

    Also, as a Policeman-woman-person, couldn’t she do more good by actually enforcing laws that are likely to prevent many of these incidents from ocurring?

    July 12, 2018 at 12:48 pm #923209
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    Mungecrundle

    There is only one solution.

    There is only one solution. Wait for the lad to heal and then recreate the incident while he is wearing a correctly fitted helmet. See what happens.

    In the meantime get well little dude and hope you are back on a bicycle as soon as you want to be.

    July 12, 2018 at 12:36 pm #923207
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    ChrisB200SX
    hawkinspeter wrote:
    Apparently, “he sustained an incredibly serious skull fracture as a result of not wearing a helmet” so being knocked off his bike was merely incidental.


    Fairly sure it wasn’t the wearing nothing on his head (like he’s done for most of the rest of his time on this earth) that caused the injury. Why do people like this see being “knocked off” as normal and to be expected?

    July 12, 2018 at 11:31 am #923205
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    Hirsute

    “Us as parents can prevent
    “Us as parents can prevent this from happening, all it takes is a cycle helmet, and make it compulsory for us and especially our children for their own safety. Act now before it’s too late.”

    As simple as that.

    In her spare time PC Stanton specialises in string theory, anglo saxon history and fluid mechanics.

    July 12, 2018 at 11:11 am #923203
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    hawkinspeter
    brooksby wrote:
    I’ll bite: as others have said, how can we argue pointlessly about this matter unless we have some more detail on what the kid was doing or what the circumstances were of his being knocked off?

    (I mean, the photos make it look like a breeze-block dropped on his head, and no bike helmet would protect against that!)

    The Mirror article makes the briefest possible mention of a van that was involved:

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/policewomans-powerful-warning-after-blood-12829176

    There’s no mention of the circumstances, so we can only assume that the van driver was so shocked to see a cyclist without a helmet that they had to knock him off his bike to ensure that it wasn’t an hallucination.

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