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Sussex Police tell us we should be wearing helmets – shouldn’t they be staying out of this?

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  • May 16, 2018 at 10:52 am #28522
    tommyraleigh

    https://www.facebook.com/sussexpoliceforce/posts/1776482492397300

    “Wearing a helmet saved my son’s life” – these are the words of a mother who’s backing our summer cycle safety message.

    It follows the deaths of two cyclists in Sussex already this month. That’s two too many in our opinion.

    In light of this, we’re urging all road users to ‘think bike’

    As some of the commenters below have said already, there seems to be plenty of evidence to suggest compulsory helmet wearing does naff all to increase safety… also what have the two deaths got to do with the photo in question? Might have helped in that instance, but I doubt would have prevented the deaths! Seems a bit of a muddled message from the coppers.  

     

     

     

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  • May 16, 2018 at 10:38 pm #919609
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    srchar
    wknight wrote:
    I witnessed two crashes very recently where the person walked away, but their helmet was a complete shattered mess. That would have been their head

    Do you really think a (cheap? old? crap?) piece of polystyrene is stronger than the human skull?  I think you’d be surprised.  I’ve had two massive crashes when not wearing a helmet, but wish I’d been wearing wrist guards, then my left one might actually still work as a wrist. So that’s two all on anecdotes.

    The thing I don’t understand is, why aren’t helmet advocates all wearing full-face downhill lids? Ones that might actually do something to protect their beautiful faces and massive brains if they have a high-impact off.

    May 16, 2018 at 9:57 pm #919607
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    Hirsute

    Serious leg and arm injuries

    Serious leg and arm injuries but could have been worse.

    Maybe he should have been wearing body armour or an inflatable cocoon.

    May 16, 2018 at 9:48 pm #919605
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    burtthebike

    I always used to think that

    I always used to think that the police investigated things and made decisions based on the evidence, but I can see that I was sadly mistaken.  Is it any wonder there are so many wrongful convictions?

    May 16, 2018 at 9:45 pm #919603
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    burtthebike
    OnYerBike wrote:
    If you click throught to the Sussex Police website, the full article includes this:

    Nick Lloyd, road safety manager for the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents (RoSPA), said: “RoSPA recommends that cyclists wear a helmet, but does not call for this to be made mandatory as it is a matter of personal choice. While a helmet will afford protection to the head they are less effective in high impact collisions. Therefore, it is more important to stop the collision from happening in the first place through engineering and driver and rider education and training.”

    Bingo!

    Bloody hell!  Even RoSPA have got it. Almost.

    May 16, 2018 at 7:57 pm #919601
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    don simon fbpe
    wknight wrote:
    The one key statistic we are missing is how many people saved a trip to The hospital or even calling an ambulance because the helmet saved them. 

     

    I witnessed two crashes very recently where the person walked away, but their helmet was a complete shattered mess. That would have been their head and yes it is personal choice, but no one complains about wearing a seat belt. Please don’t say there is data, because the data we need re Helmets has not been gathered. Go visit a&e and see head injuries. 

    If the police get involved why not, remember it’s them who have all the paperwork, investigation and having to give the family the bad news

    New here, aren’t you?

    May 16, 2018 at 7:47 pm #919599
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    grumpyoldcyclist

    I wear a helmet when I ride

    I wear a helmet when I ride my bike, in case I fall off, it may help. If I’m hit by a driver / vehicle it will potentially have negligible benefits.

    One issue Sussex police fail to address is that for the occupants of vehicles involved in a crash, the biggest cause of fatalities is head injuries. A lot more drivers than cyclists die on the roads every day and I don’t see the police ‘suggesting’ that drivers wear helmets.

    May 16, 2018 at 7:05 pm #919597
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    wknight

    The one key statistic we are

    The one key statistic we are missing is how many people saved a trip to The hospital or even calling an ambulance because the helmet saved them. 

     

    I witnessed two crashes very recently where the person walked away, but their helmet was a complete shattered mess. That would have been their head and yes it is personal choice, but no one complains about wearing a seat belt. Please don’t say there is data, because the data we need re Helmets has not been gathered. Go visit a&e and see head injuries. 

    If the police get involved why not, remember it’s them who have all the paperwork, investigation and having to give the family the bad news

    May 16, 2018 at 6:12 pm #919595
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    Anonymous

    Making false/unsubstantiated

    Making false/unsubstantiated claims that in the long run lead to more deaths and more injuries and more blame on victims.

    I’ve asked them to retract the false claim/support of helmets or I’ll make a formal complaint.

     

    May 16, 2018 at 3:53 pm #919593
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    PRSboy

    To be fair I thought it was a

    To be fair I thought it was a good article and campaign, aside from the “most importantly- wear a helmet” bit.

    May 16, 2018 at 3:44 pm #919591
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    OnYerBike

    If you click throught to the

    If you click throught to the Sussex Police website, the full article includes this:

    Nick Lloyd, road safety manager for the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents (RoSPA), said: “RoSPA recommends that cyclists wear a helmet, but does not call for this to be made mandatory as it is a matter of personal choice. While a helmet will afford protection to the head they are less effective in high impact collisions. Therefore, it is more important to stop the collision from happening in the first place through engineering and driver and rider education and training.”

    Bingo!

    May 16, 2018 at 3:28 pm #919589
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    don simon fbpe

    Would it be wrong to ask

    Would it be wrong to ask Sussex plod to comment on this and determine where they think the real improvements could be made in cyclist safety?

    http://road.cc/content/news/241864-near-miss-day-138-driver-met-police-van-operation-really-close-pass

    May 16, 2018 at 3:07 pm #919587
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    Eton Rifle
    tommyraleigh86 wrote:
    Chris Boardman’s gave them a piece of his mind now… https://twitter.com/Chris_Boardman/status/996733502132453382

    We are fortunate indeed to have such an articulate advocate as Chris Boardman.  I certainly couldn’t keep my cool in the face of the crass stupidity that we have deal with. 

    May 16, 2018 at 2:36 pm #919585
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    nextSibling

    The only way to know if a

    The only way to know if a “helmet saved my life” would be to have exactly the same crash twice, once with a helmet and once without.

    May 16, 2018 at 2:01 pm #919583
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    HarryTrauts

    I agree that it’s not clear

    I agree that it’s not clear if the two cyclists in question were wearing helmets or not.  It’s all very muddled.  And we all know that if there is any protection to be had from wearing a helmet it is only going to be from head injury and only in certain circumstances.  However, nowhere in the article do they call for mandatory helmet wearing.  In fact, the ROSPA quote is very clear that they are not calling for that.

    Should Sussex Police be staying out of it?  It’s up to them, I suppose.  They’ve got an opinion and want to share it.  This is the internet, it’s a free for all!

    May 16, 2018 at 1:59 pm #919581
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    tommyraleigh

    Chris Boardman’s gave them a

    Chris Boardman’s gave them a piece of his mind now… https://twitter.com/Chris_Boardman/status/996733502132453382

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